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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 9, 2022 10:06:30 GMT
The immediate slanging match is not warranted Did you notice that the slanging match started with the thieving, lying crook posting this? "No improvement in your ability to read or understand plain written English, . . is there !"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 10:06:34 GMT
Thames sailing barges do have very large lee boards. The port side board is visible on this image. These winch up and down. This one is up. ![](https://www.top-sail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/intro-barge-1.jpg) (images stolen from the internet)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 10:10:27 GMT
Give us a break; I thought Tony gave a reasoned explanation of the transit of the Wash in what many consider an unsuitable craft. The immediate slanging match is not warranted Looking at the blog, in what was a relatively mild sea, the bow still pitched into the water to a degree I would not feel comfortable with. His point about flat bottommed boats is again valid, although I suspect these craft had 'steerboards' (?) if I recall the terminology correctly. These boats would have been much wider than a narrowboat which would make them more stable. Wouldn't the narrowness of beam make any rolling more dangerous for narrowboats? I'm quite happy to read what he has to say ... until the point he can't resist an unnecessarily barbed dig ... I was asking questions of gazza, who was happily replying . And as you highlight yourself, the barbed dig wasn't even accurate. Rog
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jan 9, 2022 11:02:17 GMT
Give us a break; I thought Tony gave a reasoned explanation of the transit of the Wash in what many consider an unsuitable craft. The immediate slanging match is not warranted Looking at the blog, in what was a relatively mild sea, the bow still pitched into the water to a degree I would not feel comfortable with. His point about flat bottommed boats is again valid, although I suspect these craft had 'steerboards' (?) if I recall the terminology correctly. These boats would have been much wider than a narrowboat which would make them more stable. Wouldn't the narrowness of beam make any rolling more dangerous for narrowboats? I'm quite happy to read what he has to say ... until the point he can't resist an unnecessarily barbed dig ... I was asking questions of gazza, who was happily replying . And as you highlight yourself, the barbed dig wasn't even accurate.Rog There was no "barbed dig" to carry any inaccuracy ! Just you and your inability, to say nothing of your apparent reluctance, to comprehend and reply to anything that rises above your pitiful levels of knowledge or understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 11:04:02 GMT
I'm quite happy to read what he has to say ... until the point he can't resist an unnecessarily barbed dig ... I was asking questions of gazza, who was happily replying . And as you highlight yourself, the barbed dig wasn't even accurate.Rog There was no "barbed dig" to carry any inaccuracy ! Just you and your inability, to say nothing of your apparent reluctance, to comprehend and reply to anything that rises above your pitiful levels of knowledge or understanding. Love you too chick Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 11:23:18 GMT
Give us a break; I thought Tony gave a reasoned explanation of the transit of the Wash in what many consider an unsuitable craft. The immediate slanging match is not warranted Looking at the blog, in what was a relatively mild sea, the bow still pitched into the water to a degree I would not feel comfortable with. His point about flat bottommed boats is again valid, although I suspect these craft had 'steerboards' (?) if I recall the terminology correctly. These boats would have been much wider than a narrowboat which would make them more stable. Wouldn't the narrowness of beam make any rolling more dangerous for narrowboats? None of these boats appear to have much roll at any point in this vid, even when passed by the clippers. There is a a fair bit of pitch though, with which they seem to cope well enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 11:53:24 GMT
Another vid. Quite representative of conditions, it would appear. That Daryl bloke seems quite popular and to be fair seems to have a useful awareness of various sandbanks.
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Post by brummieboy on Jan 9, 2022 14:12:38 GMT
The immediate slanging match is not warranted Did you notice that the slanging match started with the thieving, lying crook posting this? "No improvement in your ability to read or understand plain written English, . . is there !" I think that was in reply to Dogless first post which was subtly goading and got the response that was expected. Please don't let us drift into another Barrowford Lock saga. It only causes more to leave the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 15:36:44 GMT
In a proper choppy water boat @gazza do you still have to run aground and await tides when crossing the wash, like I've seen narrow boats do ? I guess not, if only because you have a keel ![:)](//storage2.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Rog No boat, whatever its hull form, is obliged to "run aground" over the LW period in the Wash, . . or any where else. Drying out over LW in the course of a Wash passage, either partially or fully, is done mainly to give the occupants of the boat a more comfortable time, rather than being made to feel sick due to the boat's motion if laying to the anchor in any of the deepwater channels to Kings Lynn, Wisbech or Boston and Spalding. What makes you think that anything with a flat bottom isn't a "proper choppy water boat" ? Not so very long ago, flat bottomed Thames (sailing) barges were engaged in regular trade loading Yorkshire coal for the London area from wharves up the lower Trent (Keadby). I was in conversation with gazza when the Dunk decided to join in ... that's fine ... and his response was interesting right up to the point where he adds "What makes you think ... " If any "subtle goading " was involved I would suggest this was it. Rog
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Post by brummieboy on Jan 9, 2022 17:35:10 GMT
I'll make no further comment on this.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jan 9, 2022 17:48:48 GMT
No boat, whatever its hull form, is obliged to "run aground" over the LW period in the Wash, . . or any where else. Drying out over LW in the course of a Wash passage, either partially or fully, is done mainly to give the occupants of the boat a more comfortable time, rather than being made to feel sick due to the boat's motion if laying to the anchor in any of the deepwater channels to Kings Lynn, Wisbech or Boston and Spalding. What makes you think that anything with a flat bottom isn't a "proper choppy water boat" ? Not so very long ago, flat bottomed Thames (sailing) barges were engaged in regular trade loading Yorkshire coal for the London area from wharves up the lower Trent (Keadby). I was in conversation with gazza when the Dunk decided to join in ... that's fine ... and his response was interesting right up to the point where he adds "What makes you think ... " If any "subtle goading " was involved I would suggest this was it. Rog "Subtle goading" be buggered, . . what I asked was a simple question on YOUR misconception about the seaworthiness of flat bottomed vessels that YOU included in YOUR post timed at 1416 hrs yesterday -- quote -- "In a proper choppy water boat gazza do you still have to run aground and await tides when crossing the wash, like I've seen narrow boats do ? I guess not, if only because you have a keel."It appears as if your already severe reading handicap has progressed to the point where you're now having difficulties in understanding what you've said in your own posts, . . or is that you imagine that seagoing cargo vessels, from Thames Barges to todays biggest container ships have the same underwater hull form as Gazza's shallow vee hard chine cruiser hull ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 18:13:42 GMT
I'm very happy you chose to jump into my conversation with gazza in order to berate me once again.
At the time I was enquiring about the process of crossing the Wash for a GRP cruiser (like gazza's) as opposed to a flat bottomed steel narrow boat (like mine).
I realise now I should have also included an exhaustive list of every type of craft I WAS NOT referring to in order that no confusion would have been created in your mind regarding the type of vessels under discussion, and indeed whether or not I was aware of the many types of vessel that WERE designed as sea going craft.
I can't think what came over me to create such turmoil in your mind.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jan 9, 2022 20:06:37 GMT
At the time I was enquiring about the process of crossing the Wash for a GRP cruiser (like gazza's) as opposed to a flat bottomed steel narrow boat (like mine). I realise now I should have also included an exhaustive list of every type of craft I WAS NOT referring to in order that no confusion would have been created in your mind regarding the type of vessels under discussion, and indeed whether or not I was aware of the many types of vessel that WERE designed as sea going craft. Rog You're missing the point -- as usual -- with your confused and silly response ! The point I was making was that the choice of drying out over LW or staying afloat in a deepwater channel is NOT relevant to or influenced in any way by whether or not the boat you happen to be out in the Wash on is a narrow beam flat bottomed steel canalboat. Bear in mind that it was YOU who was asking if drying out over the LW period was compulsory for people with other types of boats in the same way that YOU stupidly assumed it is for ditchcrawlers with their so-called 'narrowboats' -- quote -- "In a proper choppy water boat gazza do you still have to run aground and await tides when crossing the wash ?" .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 20:16:14 GMT
That's bullshit. What about a folkboat. A deep long keel sailing boat. If that goes aground and it's not propped up it will land on its side and be flooded when the tide comes back up. Also the point that dogless was making originally was about the @gazza boat (Elysian 27?) Possibly having a keel and therefore landing at an unpleasant angle. The occupants of the boat being aboard and perhaps including children ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) could make this uncomfortable whereas if it was just a flat bottom narrow boat it would sit flat on the sand. The type of boat you are on definitely does inform the choice you make in this particular situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 20:16:55 GMT
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