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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2022 11:52:53 GMT
My woodburner is over 20 years old and it has (only) high level air intake which directs the air downwards across the glass.
Once it is burning well you can actually see the flames going downward past the glass doing the same kind of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 11:56:17 GMT
This little fire does have a grate (made from the inlet strainer for a Castoldi water jet) so it could burn coal but not sure how controllable it would be.
Wood is best anyway and fast heatup time is a bonus for a fire which is not kept in 24/7.
It's a "heat on demand" stove rather than a slumbering coal burner.
No lining in it helps put the heat out quick but will also cool down faster.
Interesting fire to play with.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2022 12:48:57 GMT
No money changed hands on this transaction. The tubes are angle iron welded up the sides of the fire with 20mm holes cut in and triangles on top of the tubes. Air drawn up and ejected into the flame to burn the volatiles. It does work well. The amount of work needed it's not really economical to produce these as a consumer product. I suppose you could do it but it would not be a cheap fire. Also I just happened to have a couple of little opening portholes which were the right size for the 8 inch box section. They are not all that common. what I want to know is it defra approved 😀 |
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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2022 14:24:56 GMT
No money changed hands on this transaction. The tubes are angle iron welded up the sides of the fire with 20mm holes cut in and triangles on top of the tubes. Air drawn up and ejected into the flame to burn the volatiles. It does work well. The amount of work needed it's not really economical to produce these as a consumer product. I suppose you could do it but it would not be a cheap fire. Also I just happened to have a couple of little opening portholes which were the right size for the 8 inch box section. They are not all that common. what I want to know is it defra approved 😀 It's defranitley approved by me. Carry on @hitler. Do the defra regs apply to boats anyway? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 14:49:20 GMT
I believe they now do. 2021 boats were brought into the clean air act.
That boat won't be in smokeless zones anyway. The boat for smokeless zones has a much less efficient fire on it which does lovely wood smoke.
That'll show 'em.
A spot of damp wood so it lasts longer and picture postcard wisps of smoke does it for me. And the smell of wood burning is lovely.
Specially a nice bit of old maple.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2022 15:07:42 GMT
as far as I have been able to check the only bit of the act that seems to apply retroactively is the moisture content of the fuel used
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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2022 15:12:15 GMT
as far as I have been able to check the only bit of the act that seems to apply retroactively is the moisture content of the fuel used ( So how do they prove the moisture content of a burning log? Anything not on the fire is in its drying phase officer. |
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Post by peterboat on Feb 11, 2022 15:14:48 GMT
Had a few burns on the new stove made by James the battery man and have to admit it works very nicely. I can occasionally get a blue flame, and once up to temperature the porthole can be left open and no smoke into cabin. With a 70mm flue!! The draw on it is incredible. I was a bit surprised but of course with the preheated secondary burn tubes on the sides once it's hot it burns very efficiently anyway. The cooking top gets well hot too. It is a masterpiece.  Chucks out heat like it's going out of fashion and I haven't even filled it up yet ! The blow torch/bellows/poker hole, which was my idea, has worked wonders. Rwally handy extra bit of air onto the fire bed as well. Threaded with a lid for it. Not DEFRA approved  but I bet they would give it the thumbs up if it were offered as a product. Did take a while to knock it all together though to be fair. He told me about it the other week, he is a really good fabricator welder isnt he? Have you seen his stainless steel stoves stunning is the only description! |
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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2022 15:15:06 GMT
I think it is more on the seller of wood as you must be aware, green wood is different from seasoned wood that gets wet
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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2022 15:23:24 GMT
I think it is more on the seller of wood as you must be aware, green wood is different from seasoned wood that gets wet
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Same point applies. The seller can sell a bulk load of logs for prepping and drying at home, I've had a few transit tipper loads dropped off. It's just the small bags that must be dry. |
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Post by JohnV on Feb 11, 2022 15:30:39 GMT
I think it is more on the seller of wood as you must be aware, green wood is different from seasoned wood that gets wet
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Same point applies. The seller can sell a bulk load of logs for prepping and drying at home, I've had a few transit tipper loads dropped off. It's just the small bags that must be dry. used to get 7.5 ton tipper lorry loads at Benfleet ...... chap I knew had a couple of fields and the electricity board and the telecom companies could dump all the wood they had cut down around cables for free. He used to ring it and split it then stack it for a year.
Used to be a lucky dip with what wood you got but some of it was fantastic .... one load I got had a lot of Cedar in it and when it was on the stove you had a wonderful smell of Cedar smoke all over the boatyard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 19:37:02 GMT
Had a few burns on the new stove made by James the battery man and have to admit it works very nicely. I can occasionally get a blue flame, and once up to temperature the porthole can be left open and no smoke into cabin. With a 70mm flue!! The draw on it is incredible. I was a bit surprised but of course with the preheated secondary burn tubes on the sides once it's hot it burns very efficiently anyway. The cooking top gets well hot too. It is a masterpiece. Chucks out heat like it's going out of fashion and I haven't even filled it up yet ! The blow torch/bellows/poker hole, which was my idea, has worked wonders. Rwally handy extra bit of air onto the fire bed as well. Threaded with a lid for it. Not DEFRA approved but I bet they would give it the thumbs up if it were offered as a product. Did take a while to knock it all together though to be fair. He told me about it the other week, he is a really good fabricator welder isnt he? Have you seen his stainless steel stoves stunning is the only description! Yes I went on his boat. The stove in there is Serious. Twin back boilers, pizza oven, valved secondary air intake, large porhole loading door and the whole thing is stainless steel. Something else. I did try to buy the little one off him (not the first to try !) which is the one which will burn wood with a blue flame, sliding false base and it's all made of 5mm stainless . Yes James is a very accomplished plater and metalworker. I assume you have seen the narrow boat he sold recently. All rivetted. By hand. They ain't fake these ones they are real.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 21:52:34 GMT
As per the title. My stove in the saloon is a true woodburner (and not a mixed fuel like most) and over the years I have tried umpteen man made logs on it. Most I have had some major beef with. Some burn uncontrollably fast, some are not easy to light, some fall to bits if you look at them critically, and virtually all of them refuse to stay "in" overnight. However when I have been short of decent logs I have been forced to use them. I was talking to the owner of a pet shop very near the boat (an ex boat dweller and wishing to be so again) and he was saying that he had always found the same but he had been persuaded to stock some by someone he knew. He had not used them himself but his friend did and swore by them. He had bought 1 pallet to try to see how they went. at £10 for 20Kg bag I bought one to try. I've been very pleasently surprised by them.
They burn hot but not fast, and completely tightened down overnight, after 8 hours there were enough embers left to just be able to throw a few new bits on. About the only real complaint I have is that the ash they produce is a lot softer and and doesn't compact into a hard layer like normal from logs. Obviously like all compressed logs they need dry storage although the 20Kg bags are sealed plastic. The stuff is called Hotmax and although not as good as proper logs, it's the best substitute that I have found
I’ve got a box of these in the back of my car - purchased to go up the flue of a wood burner in a centreparcs lodge, arrived this afternoon to find our digs is one of the few without fire making facilities 😞🧐😥 |
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Post by metanoia on Feb 11, 2022 21:57:29 GMT
SO sorry about your logs, thanks for the empathy about being a sad old thing on a Friday night - have a wonderful CenterParcs weekend all of you (specially that flume!!!) x
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Post by peterboat on Feb 14, 2022 13:48:35 GMT
He told me about it the other week, he is a really good fabricator welder isnt he? Have you seen his stainless steel stoves stunning is the only description! Yes I went on his boat. The stove in there is Serious. Twin back boilers, pizza oven, valved secondary air intake, large porhole loading door and the whole thing is stainless steel. Something else. I did try to buy the little one off him (not the first to try !) which is the one which will burn wood with a blue flame, sliding false base and it's all made of 5mm stainless . Yes James is a very accomplished plater and metalworker. I assume you have seen the narrow boat he sold recently. All rivetted. By hand. They ain't fake these ones they are real.. I have seen it progress over the years [the narrowboat] I to wanted the small stove but alas he wouldnt sell it. I think I am responsible for his electric widebeam when I did mine he decided his was next, I also sold his engine for him to clear a space out for it  . Also its my fault he has a whispengen doing his heating and a load of people bought cheap Valence batteries from him, I think I should be on commission as long as nothing goes wrong that is |
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but I bet they would give it the thumbs up if it were offered as a product. 
. Also its my fault he has a whispengen doing his heating and a load of people bought cheap Valence batteries from him, I think I should be on commission as long as nothing goes wrong that is 