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Post by Telemachus on Nov 28, 2016 18:03:54 GMT
I have seen geo many times state that he/she is not graham. Can you make a list of reasons why you suspect they are? Where the deuce has graham got to? I just did, a couple of posts ago.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 28, 2016 18:19:16 GMT
Well, this is a mystery that is not going to be solved easily! I for one take geo's word that he/she is not graham. I don't deny that you have grounds for suspicion otherwise. However, so what, attack the argument and not the person is my motto. Well, it is sometimes. (I haven't been to 'the site that shall not be mentioned' recently very much at all, so haven't followed all that old blather). My son's off to Japan in 2 weeks' time so having a rummage through my box of Japanese brochures and maps to see what I can send him. I see the Euro has dropped against the Yen to 1E = 1.19Y, it was 1.33 when we went seven years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:34:48 GMT
Just been over there looking for relevant thread, can someone point me in the right direction.
It's like visiting the authoritarian Granny, some good advice some bad - but the smell of cabbage just makes you want to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:46:08 GMT
Just been over there looking for relevant thread, can someone point me in the right direction. It's like visiting the authoritarian Granny, some good advice some bad - but the smell of cabbage just makes you want to leave. Thanks. Made me laugh out loud ! Rog
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:55:18 GMT
I've lost the will to live with it over there.
The only forum I look in on very very occasionally is the History one, that has been stagnant and dull for a while, the rest is so dull it's untrue.
The constant pontificating by ex school teachers and fog knitting uncivil servants became too much to take, especially once you bunch of Rogues were unceremoniously booted out removing any balance to the one eyed crap that was left.
Denials piss poor effort at trying to get a grip on things along with his selective vision with my messages to him meant it was time for me to knock it on the head once and for all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 18:55:39 GMT
Just been over there looking for relevant thread, can someone point me in the right direction. It's like visiting the authoritarian Granny, some good advice some bad - but the smell of cabbage just makes you want to leave. Thanks. Made me laugh out loud ! Rog Me too
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 28, 2016 19:20:40 GMT
However, so what, attack the argument and not the person is my motto. Well, it is sometimes.
Generally I agree with you of course. However it is possible for someone to be very disruptive on a thread by posting verbose rubbish, obfuscating when challenged on it, changing the argument dynamically, repeating old and discredited arguments and generally giving the run around. Of course much of the time this doesn't matter but when the purpose of the thread is to give advice to someone on a technical matter who is in difficulty, it is very disruptive, selfish and generally annoying as the poor questioned is left completely baffled and gives up! At that point I find it hard to play the argument and not the man, for it is the man who is being obnoxious and selfish (liking the sound of his own voice etc) despite superficial politeness. Ultimately "playing the argument, not the man" only works if the other party is reasonably logical and rational.
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Post by bargemast on Nov 28, 2016 19:37:54 GMT
However, so what, attack the argument and not the person is my motto. Well, it is sometimes.
Generally I agree with you of course. However it is possible for someone to be very disruptive on a thread by posting verbose rubbish, obfuscating when challenged on it, changing the argument dynamically, repeating old and discredited arguments and generally giving the run around. Of course much of the time this doesn't matter but when the purpose of the thread is to give advice to someone on a technical matter who is in difficulty, it is very disruptive, selfish and generally annoying as the poor questioned is left completely baffled and gives up! At that point I find it hard to play the argument and not the man, for it is the man who is being obnoxious and selfish (liking the sound of his own voice etc) despite superficial politeness. Ultimately "playing the argument, not the man" only works if the other party is reasonably logical and rational.
I agree with you Nick, even more after the fake alternator problem to blame the ever so helpful Tony B, completely unnecessary and not a nice or fun thing to do.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 19:38:40 GMT
However, so what, attack the argument and not the person is my motto. Well, it is sometimes.
... Snip ... only works if the other party is reasonably logical and rational.
Well that rules out most of us then! One of the things I like about this place is that you can get away with being a bit irrational/illogical.
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Post by geo on Nov 28, 2016 19:47:41 GMT
However, so what, attack the argument and not the person is my motto. Well, it is sometimes.
Generally I agree with you of course. However it is possible for someone to be very disruptive on a thread by posting verbose rubbish, obfuscating when challenged on it, changing the argument dynamically, repeating old and discredited arguments and generally giving the run around. Of course much of the time this doesn't matter but when the purpose of the thread is to give advice to someone on a technical matter who is in difficulty, it is very disruptive, selfish and generally annoying as the poor questioned is left completely baffled and gives up! At that point I find it hard to play the argument and not the man, for it is the man who is being obnoxious and selfish (liking the sound of his own voice etc) despite superficial politeness. Ultimately "playing the argument, not the man" only works if the other party is reasonably logical and rational.
Now that of course is your opinion. It does not appear to be the opinion of the Moderators or Admin. I would suggest that there is another motive. That you and two others want to be the gurus and anyone else who has ideas has to be smashed. I am aware that one of you went to Admin suggesting that the clique should be the final arbiters of what was right and wrong and be given the ability to recommend people for sanction even banning. It all smells of a 'we must be obeyed clique'; get off our threads type of thing. Bullies we would have called them at school. As for logic and rational I have been complimented on mine. I am told it is the reason I am good at what I do.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 28, 2016 19:48:56 GMT
Generally I agree with you of course. However it is possible for someone to be very disruptive on a thread by posting verbose rubbish, obfuscating when challenged on it, changing the argument dynamically, repeating old and discredited arguments and generally giving the run around. Of course much of the time this doesn't matter but when the purpose of the thread is to give advice to someone on a technical matter who is in difficulty, it is very disruptive, selfish and generally annoying as the poor questioned is left completely baffled and gives up! At that point I find it hard to play the argument and not the man, for it is the man who is being obnoxious and selfish (liking the sound of his own voice etc) despite superficial politeness. Ultimately "playing the argument, not the man" only works if the other party is reasonably logical and rational.
I agree with you Nick, even more after the fake alternator problem to blame the ever so helpful Tony B, completely unnecessary and not a nice or fun thing to do.
Peter.
Hmmmmm !!! I had forgotten that (I am a very bad grudge holder ) That was certainly a very nasty trick, involving as it did, innocent parties in a attack on another poster/ (as you say, on someone who is always very helpful)
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Post by bodger on Nov 28, 2016 20:02:13 GMT
That way at least you will have one warm foot. Phil lol I have two warm feet as it is courtesy of the morso burbling away in front of me:) Why should I admit to being someone I am not, stupid in my brain. Whoever this person is I have no idea of what bads etc they may have done. No I will remain as I have been all my life Geo. ahh! go on ............. just do it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 20:06:05 GMT
lol I have two warm feet as it is courtesy of the morso burbling away in front of me:) Why should I admit to being someone I am not, stupid in my brain. Whoever this person is I have no idea of what bads etc they may have done. No I will remain as I have been all my life Geo. ahh! go on ............. just do it You're welcome
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 28, 2016 20:46:30 GMT
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Post by geo on Nov 28, 2016 21:04:20 GMT
Dear dear did that upset you? Well perhaps you need to remember that things you and your cohorts do can upset others and it gets returned by those who are not frightened of you. My humble apologies to John you were not supposed to have been involved. I did not expect anyone to answer it.
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