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Post by on May 14, 2023 7:51:07 GMT
I wonder if Tony our resident Bogus Boater has anything to say here.
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Post by kris on May 14, 2023 7:51:29 GMT
The intriguing aspect from my pov is where they survailing mr ward, so aware of his habits. Or where they just fortunate to arrive whilst he was otherwise engaged? I suspect they had a spotter, walkie-talkies and everything. Probably someone saying 'strike strike strike' like they do in the cop videos. Yes probably. But the aspect of it that interests me is that there are Various public bodies that undertake surveillance on members of the public The police, the secret services, local councils and utility companies etc. But how many third sector organisations do so ? Ps I know utility companies are private, but they should be publicly owned.
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Post by on May 14, 2023 7:52:13 GMT
More than you think.
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Post by thebfg on May 14, 2023 7:57:00 GMT
It seems there was a fair level of advance planning to this action. If someone brought a crowbar is it so surprising? Anyway ask George, he seems to have been the only witness. Did you actually read my original point? I said that they would have a defence but not IF they didn't have power of entry, not that they dident.
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 14, 2023 7:57:44 GMT
I suspect they had a spotter, walkie-talkies and everything. Probably someone saying 'strike strike strike' like they do in the cop videos. Yes probably. But the aspect of it that interests me is that there are Various public bodies that undertake surveillance on members of the public The police, the secret services, local councils and utility companies etc. But how many third sector organisations do so ? It does all seems a bit keystone cops when one starts imagining how it went down, and that's all it is - speculation - but if it wasn't like that then they were lucky to catch him literally with his pants down, if the rumours are true. The most important thing (from their perspective) was to avoid a repeat of the first attempt. And anyone can fly a drone.
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 14, 2023 7:59:39 GMT
It seems there was a fair level of advance planning to this action. If someone brought a crowbar is it so surprising? Anyway ask George, he seems to have been the only witness. Did you actually read my original point? I said that they would have a defence but not IF they didn't have power of entry, not that they dident. Again, I don't believe additional 'powers of entry' were needed.
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Post by kris on May 14, 2023 8:02:35 GMT
Yes probably. But the aspect of it that interests me is that there are Various public bodies that undertake surveillance on members of the public The police, the secret services, local councils and utility companies etc. But how many third sector organisations do so ? It does all seems a bit keystone cops when one starts imagining how it went down, and that's all it is - speculation - but if it wasn't like that then they were lucky to catch him literally with his pants down, if the rumours are true. The most important thing (from their perspective) was to avoid a repeat of the first attempt. And anyone can fly a drone. It’s not just the comedy factor. This is a third sector organisation that keeps pleading poverty, yet they spend a fortune on nonsense like this.
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Post by thebfg on May 14, 2023 8:03:33 GMT
So they have a defence.
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Post by on May 14, 2023 8:04:08 GMT
Also they didn't have any reason to go inside the boat unless the owner asked them to.
The boat was moved by a pusher so no need to get engine going.
Someone on canalworld pointed out this was probably a pleasure boat conversion done by Harris of Bumblehole who were a yard which apparently continued using rivets after everyone else had adopted electric welding. So not an amazing hysteric boat but still quite an interesting pile of scrap.
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Post by on May 14, 2023 8:05:51 GMT
It does all seems a bit keystone cops when one starts imagining how it went down, and that's all it is - speculation - but if it wasn't like that then they were lucky to catch him literally with his pants down, if the rumours are true. The most important thing (from their perspective) was to avoid a repeat of the first attempt. And anyone can fly a drone. It’s not just the comedy factor. This is a third sector organisation that keeps pleading poverty, yet they spend a fortune on nonsense like this. Why is it nonsense to get rid of unlicensed non compliant boats from canals? Or did you mean they should execute far more quickly and get the job done rather than dragging it out for years? Do the CRT perhaps need some new powers to deal with reality.
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Post by Murgatroyd on May 14, 2023 8:08:51 GMT
It does all seems a bit keystone cops when one starts imagining how it went down, and that's all it is - speculation - but if it wasn't like that then they were lucky to catch him literally with his pants down, if the rumours are true. The most important thing (from their perspective) was to avoid a repeat of the first attempt. And anyone can fly a drone. It’s not just the comedy factor. This is a third sector organisation that keeps pleading poverty, yet they spend a fortune on nonsense like this. The cops were involved, presumably by request (and according to Stabby the whole thing was planned for the previous day but got called off due to some other matter deemed more important, makes me wonder where he got that from though), and that's how the cops do things. Be honest, if the shoe was on the other foot how would you have done it? Knock politely? Use harsh language?
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Post by on May 14, 2023 8:08:56 GMT
As far as I can tell it was Tony who introduced the crowbar into the story. If this is the case then it is likely to be wholly fictitious.
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Post by kris on May 14, 2023 8:14:42 GMT
It’s not just the comedy factor. This is a third sector organisation that keeps pleading poverty, yet they spend a fortune on nonsense like this. Why is it nonsense to get rid of unlicensed non compliant boats from canals? Or did you mean they should execute far more quickly and get the job done rather than dragging it out for years? Do the CRT perhaps need some new powers to deal with reality. Its nonsense because if they enforced the bye laws and used them to deal with situations like this, then there’s no way it would drag on for ten years. So the expense would be less. No they don’t need new powers, they need to go away and have a rethink maybe wobble their heads and come up with a new strategy. The course of action that they follow now is one they inherited from BW, in my opinion it’s not appropriate for a third sector organisation.
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Post by thebfg on May 14, 2023 8:15:11 GMT
Also they didn't have any reason to go inside the boat unless the owner asked them to. T hence why I added the paragraph. If they didn't need to enter or indeed even plan on entering, what would be their excuse for carrying the equipment if asked by an officer of the law?
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Post by on May 14, 2023 8:16:49 GMT
Also they didn't have any reason to go inside the boat unless the owner asked them to. T hence why I added the paragraph. If they didn't need to enter or indeed even plan on entering, what would be their excuse for carrying the equipment if asked by an officer of the law? It is a good question.. if the boat was chained to the piling and the chain was wedged somehow one might need a bar to release it. Usually one would carry this on the workboat though.
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