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Post by on Jun 7, 2023 8:33:57 GMT
If CRT is a Ltd company then is the land in fact publicly owned or is it in reality owned by the company?
Anyway I don't think anybody has done a full assessment of the land in question.
I did a quick map pin search using .gov land registry and it came up with more than one land parcel probably with different owners.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 7, 2023 8:39:28 GMT
Yes, depending on the situation. Tresspass on some airports and railway land is a criminal offence, there's nothing civil about it. There are now certain times tresspass with a vehicle is also a criminal offence. As a habitual trespasser I am pretty up to speed. We weren't talking about trespassing on airports and railways, were we, . . . or anything involving vehicles ! The subject to hand is George Ward -- forced to live where and as he is doing by the illegal actions of the Canal & River Trust (Ltd) -- and now being treated, and actively threatened, as a trespasser on what in truth is publicly owned land by two unidentified and unidentifiable men, claiming to represent a private limited company - Commercial Boat Services - with nothing but an undated unsigned letter on a C&RT(Ltd) letterhead in a plain handwritten envelope, making vague unspecific threats of 'further action' unless he vacates a specific area of publicly owned land that is freely open and accessible to the general public by 1700 hrs on 12 June 2023. What George Ward was being threatened about and accused of by the pair of anonymous goons masquerading process servers on the morning of 5 June 2023 is an alleged CIVIL trespass, that as a consequence of which, he was to be subject to unspecified 'further action'. It is very clear that having created this ridiculous situation by way of a protracted exercise in unlawful conduct and procedures, the C&RT(Ltd) now intend to try and clear up the disgraceful shambolic mess it's created by simply continuing with more of the same. Fortunately, . . we don't live in a country where behaviour of that sort, especially on the part of those in public office, is either acceptable to the decent right-thinking public and/or population in general, . . or lawful in the eyes of the Law and the Courts that administer it in particular. you've gottem this time
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 7, 2023 8:43:34 GMT
If CRT is a Ltd company then is the land in fact publicly owned or is it in reality owned by the company? Towpaths are privately owned by CRT and their status is "permissive footpath", i.e. you can use them with permission. Even if the land was publicly owned this would be irrelevant. Try camping in the grounds of an NHS hospital and see how long you get away with it.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 7, 2023 8:48:10 GMT
If CRT is a Ltd company then is the land in fact publicly owned or is it in reality owned by the company? Towpaths are privately owned by CRT and their status is "permissive footpath", i.e. you can use them with permission. Even if the land was publicly owned this would be irrelevant. Try camping in the grounds of an NHS hospital and see how long you get away with it. This is true. Public spaces such as parks are provided for recreation by permission; no-one has a fundamental right to access them.
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Post by on Jun 7, 2023 9:03:10 GMT
They managed to take two boats so one imagines a tent and some random junk will be relatively straightforward to dispose of. Certainly a lot cheaper than the boats.
I'm sure the geyser has been offered assistance by the local authority but refused it. Perhaps this is the moment to take the help.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 7, 2023 9:21:01 GMT
Yes, depending on the situation. Tresspass on some airports and railway land is a criminal offence, there's nothing civil about it. There are now certain times tresspass with a vehicle is also a criminal offence. As a habitual trespasser I am pretty up to speed. We weren't talking about trespassing on airports and railways, were we, . . . or anything involving vehicles ! The subject to hand is George Ward -- forced to live where and as he is doing by the illegal actions of the Canal & River Trust (Ltd) -- and now being treated, and actively threatened, as a trespasser on what in truth is publicly owned land by two unidentified and unidentifiable men, claiming to represent a private limited company - Commercial Boat Services - with nothing but an undated unsigned letter on a C&RT(Ltd) letterhead in a plain handwritten envelope, making vague unspecific threats of 'further action' unless he vacates a specific area of publicly owned land that is freely open and accessible to the general public by 1700 hrs on 12 June 2023. What George Ward was being threatened about and accused of by the pair of anonymous goons masquerading as process servers on the morning of 5 June 2023 is an alleged CIVIL trespass, that as a consequence of which, he was to be subject to unspecified 'further action'. It is very clear that having created this ridiculous situation by way of a protracted exercise in unlawful conduct and procedures, the C&RT(Ltd) now intend to try and clear up the disgraceful shambolic mess it's created by simply continuing with more of the same. Fortunately, . . we don't live in a country where behaviour of that sort, especially on the part of those in public office, is either acceptable to the decent right-thinking public and/or population in general, . . or lawful in the eyes of the Law and the Courts that administer it in particular. I used the words - publicly owned land - because that's precisely what C&RT(Ltd) controlled canal towpaths are. Certain specified inland waterways within Great Britain and Scotland were 'taken into public ownership' in 1948 when the relevant parts of the Transport Act 1947 came into effect. C&RT(Ltd) don't own the inland waterways, . . or any part of them, . . we, the UK public, do. C&RT(Ltd) - God help us - has simply been 'entrusted', for the time being, with administering, operating, and maintaining them.
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Post by on Jun 7, 2023 9:29:00 GMT
From the 1983 BW Act I think they can take the tent. As the waterway includes the towpath land the tent is in the waterway without lawful authority.
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Post by The Cat Man on Jun 7, 2023 9:55:27 GMT
If CRT is a Ltd company then is the land in fact publicly owned or is it in reality owned by the company? Towpaths are privately owned by CRT and their status is "permissive footpath", i.e. you can use them with permission. Even if the land was publicly owned this would be irrelevant. Try camping in the grounds of an NHS hospital and see how long you get away with it. Just a minor correction - the towpath where George is staying is a Public Footpath i.e. a public right of way.
Doesn't make any difference though as you are not allowed to camp on a Public Footpath.
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Post by on Jun 7, 2023 14:34:29 GMT
I just noticed that my stickers may have become illegal under the new Act. This was rather a shocking thing to find out. O M G Shiver me fibreglass reinforcement timbers ! and the w
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Post by kris on Jun 7, 2023 15:38:58 GMT
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Post by on Jun 7, 2023 16:15:37 GMT
"Contrary to anything you may understand, believe or have been doing to date" One does hope that this character has not been conned by the ultracrepidarian.
That would be sad as this is a serious topic if indeed he has nowhere else to live.
One suspects he does.
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Post by kris on Jun 7, 2023 16:27:21 GMT
"Contrary to anything you may understand, believe or have been doing to date" One does hope that this character has not been conned by the ultracrepidarian. That would be sad as this is a serious topic if indeed he has nowhere else to live. One suspects he does. Yes I thought the wording was unusual.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Jun 7, 2023 18:38:11 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 7, 2023 18:44:54 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 7, 2023 18:50:43 GMT
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