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Post by Aloysius on Aug 3, 2023 10:03:58 GMT
Diversity has brought many things to this country, and I'm sorry to say that I think the attitude towards these practices is one of the worst. Sadly, no one in Government, either local or national seems to want to do anything about it and it is left to the press to expose such practice. Must be hard to bear. Still, at least that last bastion of freedom of expression, The Daily Mail, is there to keep the flag of freedom hanging high. Big shout-out for GB News.
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Post by tonyb on Aug 3, 2023 11:40:30 GMT
I don't recall anyone storming the seat of government in the UK. Even slightly narrow referendum results (Scots independence; Brexit) were accepted. Democracy fails if results are not accepted. Rog It seems to me that democracy in the UK has already failed, judging by the numbers who apparently think it is not worth voting. For democracy to flourish, I think everyone needs to think their vote has a realistic chance of altering things. In the UK that is patently not the case for many.
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Post by dogless on Aug 3, 2023 11:46:06 GMT
I don't believe apathy at elections is a new thing.
I live in a Labour controlled area and quite simply one vote isn't going to change anything.
Engaging with the election process is a personal choice but accepting the result is a requirement surely ?
Rog
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Post by fi on Aug 3, 2023 11:57:02 GMT
Accepting the vote count is normal in the UK.
Whinging/whining about the result is normal in the UK.
Long may these traditions continue...
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 3, 2023 12:07:16 GMT
I don't believe apathy at elections is a new thing. I live in a Labour controlled area and quite simply one vote isn't going to change anything. Engaging with the election process is a personal choice but accepting the result is a requirement surely ? Rog Although it seems there is a very real possibility of defeating another Tory win. So in a change to the standard M.O, I think I may well venture to the polling booth next time around, even though I have absolutely no belief that any substantial change will arise from any such turn of events. Still, it should wipe the smug grin from a few faces.
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Post by dogless on Aug 3, 2023 12:24:20 GMT
I believe (hope) there will be a large turn out for the next GE.
I also believe (hope) a change of controlling party is inevitable.
Rog
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Post by Jim on Aug 3, 2023 15:11:07 GMT
Election result investigation is nothing new in the U.S. Bush did the same, iirc, in Florida, but being as he won, his appointees in the justice department raised no gripes. There is plenty of election fraud in this country, and as long as elections are made 'easy' with postal votes and no cohesion with people with two addresses like students, it won't get much better. Diversity has brought many things to this country, and I'm sorry to say that I think the attitude towards these practices is one of the worst. Sadly, no one in Government, either local or national seems to want to do anything about it and it is left to the press to expose such practice. A right wing trope being trotted out that has led to the imposition of identity proof being required a polling stations. Crafty move that, disenfranchising voters. "The UK has low levels of proven electoral fraud. There is no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud in 2022. Most cases (93%) resulted in the police taking no further action or were locally resolved through words of advice to those involved." www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2022-electoral-fraud-dataIf you disagree provide the evidence.
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Post by dogless on Aug 3, 2023 15:31:37 GMT
Jim ... please tell me you're not lecturing others about accepting voting results ? Rog
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Post by on Aug 3, 2023 15:39:55 GMT
And I was like "OMG a political discussion"
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 3, 2023 15:42:13 GMT
But we are, by your own words, allowed to whinge about it, right?
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Post by Jim on Aug 3, 2023 15:43:43 GMT
Jim ... please tell me you're not lecturing others about accepting voting results ? Rog If votes are achieved through lies and false promises by, amongst others, a proven liar who has since fallen on his sword, should we not complain? This thread has strayed onto election fraud, of which there is very little despite florid claims.
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Post by on Aug 3, 2023 15:59:24 GMT
But we are, by your own words, allowed to whinge about it, right? I want to be the policeman of the world but I'm not willing to do traffic duties.
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Post by dogless on Aug 3, 2023 16:07:15 GMT
Jim ... please tell me you're not lecturing others about accepting voting results ? Rog If votes are achieved through lies and false promises by, amongst others, a proven liar who has since fallen on his sword, should we not complain? This thread has strayed onto election fraud, of which there is very little despite florid claims. There's always those that choose to 'stretch' the rules to suit themselves Jim aren't there 😁 The point I made was that the attempted insurrection was in the USA not UK ... whatever else, thus far we accept the results. Rog
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Post by Jim on Aug 3, 2023 16:49:30 GMT
If votes are achieved through lies and false promises by, amongst others, a proven liar who has since fallen on his sword, should we not complain? This thread has strayed onto election fraud, of which there is very little despite florid claims. There's always those that choose to 'stretch' the rules to suit themselves Jim aren't there 😁 The point I made was that the attempted insurrection was in the USA not UK ... whatever else, thus far we accept the results. Rog It wasn't your point I was challenging, but about electoral fraud. What is it with the right that they readily believe the interminable guff fed to them to garner support, in the USA as well as here.
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 3, 2023 17:03:34 GMT
Jim ... please tell me you're not lecturing others about accepting voting results ? Rog If votes are achieved through lies and false promises by, amongst others, a proven liar who has since fallen on his sword, should we not complain? This thread has strayed onto election fraud, of which there is very little despite florid claims. Although I see it simply as a logical step in a planned career move. In a similar way Clarkson realised he had only one viable method of breaking a contract without incurring a penalty. It's all part of presenting a media personality to a gullible public. These people aren't daft. They just find it advantageous to make you believe they are.
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