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Post by ianali on Oct 8, 2023 11:41:42 GMT
It's a weird situation really. It seems inevitable that the slim segment of the population who actually use and care about the canals have to contribute more toward its continued existence. But on the other hand, CCers (no apostrophe!) arguably have greater restrictions on day-to-day life as one consequence of being compelled to move and then be charged extra because they 'use more resources' while at the same time facing the acknowledged reality that more and more of the vital facilities thus depended on either no longer exist or are inoperable more often than not. I also find it odd that some boaters are revelling in the notion that 'a bunch of freeloading scum are getting what's coming' (I'm paraphrasing). Divide and rule really does work. I hope that the predictable mood of the Thunderboat masif isn't representative of the wider population but fear it most likely is. Oh well, something has to change. I wonder what will happen after Parry's five-year-plan expires? It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to suspect it's really about getting everyone used to the idea of sky-high annual increases in licencing costs by picking on those least able to defend themselves for starters. As usual. Sell now before the market is flooded! Isn’t pretty well everything going up in cost? I wouldn’t say the expected license increases are out of step with what is happening in the UK in general. Also wages and pensions are increasing inline with these increases. I doubt our canal population will alter much in the coming ten years. |
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Post by dogless on Oct 8, 2023 11:41:54 GMT
I'm sure many will choose to sell or be forced to do so ... boating's certainly going to be even more expensive.
Perhaps the 'trumpeting' about how cheap boat life is, particularly in London and the South West, has produced inevitable consequences.
Maybe within ten years only the continous cruisers will be left.
Rog
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Post by ianali on Oct 8, 2023 11:43:56 GMT
I'm sure many will choose to sell or be forced to do so ... boating's certainly going to be even more expensive. Perhaps the 'trumpeting' about how cheap boat life is, particularly in London and the South West, has produced inevitable consequences. Maybe within ten years only the continous cruisers will be left. Rog Well, seems we are in total agreement 😊 |
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 8, 2023 11:49:29 GMT
It's a weird situation really. It seems inevitable that the slim segment of the population who actually use and care about the canals have to contribute more toward its continued existence. But on the other hand, CCers (no apostrophe!) arguably have greater restrictions on day-to-day life as one consequence of being compelled to move and then be charged extra because they 'use more resources' while at the same time facing the acknowledged reality that more and more of the vital facilities thus depended on either no longer exist or are inoperable more often than not. I also find it odd that some boaters are revelling in the notion that 'a bunch of freeloading scum are getting what's coming' (I'm paraphrasing). Divide and rule really does work. I hope that the predictable mood of the Thunderboat masif isn't representative of the wider population but fear it most likely is. Oh well, something has to change. I wonder what will happen after Parry's five-year-plan expires? It doesn't take a great deal of imagination to suspect it's really about getting everyone used to the idea of sky-high annual increases in licencing costs by picking on those least able to defend themselves for starters. As usual. Sell now before the market is flooded! Isn’t pretty well everything going up in cost? I wouldn’t say the expected license increases are out of step with what is happening in the UK in general. Also wages and pensions are increasing inline with these increases. I doubt our canal population will alter much in the coming ten years. For sure everything is becoming more expensive. But so far the price rises are largely targeting the poorest segment of the canal population which seems to rather thinly veil an ulterior objective. The announcement of standard licencing costs for 23-24 will be interesting and may well collapse my suspicions. |
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Post by on Oct 8, 2023 11:56:57 GMT
For sure everything is becoming more expensive. But so far the price rises are largely targeting the poorest segment of the canal population. If you mean cc er licences are going up by more than boats with moorings this is incorrect. CRT are mainly targeting wide boats . my 10ft6 wide boat on a CRT owned mooring is subject to a larger increase than a narrow boat with no mooring. Obviously my case is unusual as I have no money and a boat worth less than the yearly mooring fee but look at the table of increases and tell me they are taking money fron the poor disenfranchised cc ers. Its not true. Have a look at the published figures before deciding the CRT are targeting those least able to pay. They are not doing that. |
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Post by ianali on Oct 8, 2023 11:57:05 GMT
Isn’t pretty well everything going up in cost? I wouldn’t say the expected license increases are out of step with what is happening in the UK in general. Also wages and pensions are increasing inline with these increases. I doubt our canal population will alter much in the coming ten years. For sure everything is becoming more expensive. But so far the price rises are largely targeting the poorest segment of the canal population which seems to rather thinly veil an ulterior objective. The announcement of standard licencing costs for 23-24 will be interesting and may well collapse my suspicions. It’s always the poorest. Same away from boats. End of the day though people gotta live somewhere. So those struggling financially either struggle to pay their boat licence, or struggle to pay the ever increasing housing rentals. Nasty world for many. |
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Post by Andyberg on Oct 8, 2023 11:57:22 GMT
Who are these ‘poorest segment of the canal population’ ? The live aboard £175000 Colinwood widebeam owners and the virtually free living London boaters?🤷🏻♂️
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Post by on Oct 8, 2023 11:59:20 GMT
Who are these ‘poorest segment of the canal population’ ? The live aboard £175000 Colinwood widebeam owners and the virtually free living London boaters?🤷🏻♂️ The poorest ones are the £175k widebeam owners renting their flats out for shed loads of money and living on a boat while the going is good. diddums. |
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 8, 2023 12:06:40 GMT
I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning!
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 8, 2023 12:18:40 GMT
A 175k boat  |
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Post by on Oct 8, 2023 12:22:01 GMT
Someone living on a boat like that with no other choices should be looked after by social services not the navigation authority.
If they are simply slumming it for cheap accomodation while working and sending the money home then sorry no sympathy.
Never make assumptions.
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Post by on Oct 8, 2023 12:24:38 GMT
The simple fact is you could buy a shed boat for a grand and live on it in a high rent area for a tenth of the price of renting anything. Or just not bother licencing it. Even cheaper.
After one yar you can fuck off and have saved a pretty penny.
The thing to remember in all this is some people don't mind living in low quality accomodation temporarily.
Always bear this in mind.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 8, 2023 12:35:22 GMT
For sure everything is becoming more expensive. But so far the price rises are largely targeting the poorest segment of the canal population. If you mean cc er licences are going up by more than boats with moorings this is incorrect. CRT are mainly targeting wide boats . my 10ft6 wide boat on a CRT owned mooring is subject to a larger increase than a narrow boat with no mooring. Obviously my case is unusual as I have no money and a boat worth less than the yearly mooring fee but look at the table of increases and tell me they are taking money fron the poor disenfranchised cc ers. Its not true. Have a look at the published figures before deciding the CRT are targeting those least able to pay. They are not doing that. It's a fair comment. Perhaps it would be better stated as targeting a minority segment of an already sparsely populated group. No voice; no avenue of appeal or review; fuck-all support from those most closely connected to the scene. Oh dear. Oh well. You should buy the pump-house. It could turn out rather well. |
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Post by on Oct 8, 2023 12:40:45 GMT
I had a chat with my advisor about it and he pointed out certain pitfalls.
It does look like the tail of the weir stream there might not be very deep because it is not actually a weir. It is just a barrier with no moving parts so may well be very shallow below.
The idea was to moor the boats there but this may not be feasible.
It was the Harwell outlet and they did quite a lot of experiments and assured people nothing nasty was going into the River but when they dug up the delivery pipeline all sorts of precautions were taken.
I'd love it but no money.
The anglers could be an issue. if there arrr some freak fish around they might be very keen to catch them over and over again.
Seems to be trouble.
Plus Bonham Carta is a neighbour so thats not ideal.
Also it is near Didcot. Say no more..
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 8, 2023 13:01:58 GMT
The simple fact is you could buy a shed boat for a grand and live on it in a high rent area for a tenth of the price of renting anything. Or just not bother licencing it. Even cheaper. After one yar you can fuck off and have saved a pretty penny. The thing to remember in all this is some people don't mind living in low quality accomodation temporarily. Always bear this in mind. Some of the time this wild assumption turns out to be true (our mutual acquaintance Paul is a good example). However I suspect that the majority of people living on, for want of a better descriptor, a slum boat, probably do not expect it to last forever due to the generally precarious nature of their existence rather than a cunning plan to exploit alternative accommodation costs. There often is a degree of desperation to the poverty-stricken. My view is that those in such a situation are a tad more enterprising than those weighing up the merits of one bridge over another, or choosing a crappy boat over life in a sink estate. I'm sure a lot of them are also rather unpleasant individuals that you wouldn't wish to be moored near to but that's beside the point. You are really quite entrenched in the imaginary back-story you almost always attribute to these things. The extraordinary must seem quite commonplace to someone like you. Always bear this in mind. |
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