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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 9:40:25 GMT
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 10:03:30 GMT
Why not. Do you actually know what “relative poverty” means? You should look it up.
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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 10:06:01 GMT
Why not. Do you actually know what “relative poverty” means? You should look it up. I think your the one who has no idea what it means.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 10:13:26 GMT
Why not. Do you actually know what “relative poverty” means? You should look it up. I think you’re the one who has no idea what it means. Well since you clearly don’t know what it means, I shall explain it to you. Someone is deemed to be in relative poverty (and that is what the article is about) if their income is 60% or less of the average. So if the average income were to be £100,000 then if you were on £60,000 or less you would be a poverty statistic. Or put it another way, if I have 10 Rolls Royces and you only have 6, you are in poverty. The concept takes not account of cost of living, surplus income once basics are paid for etc and so regardless of how wealthy a country is, unless everyone earns more or less the same there will always be people living in relative poverty. It is only a measure of unevenness of income, not a measure of quality of life. It is a silly concept bandied about by sandal wearing guardian reading lefties to try to convince their readers how terrible this country is (whilst tucking into their avocado and couscous salads).
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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 10:19:46 GMT
About as in touch as your average Tory mp.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 10:40:53 GMT
About as in touch as your average Tory mp. At least I understand what I am talking about. Clearly there is a “cost of living crisis” which even I have noticed despite being fairly well off. People on low wages with families etc must really be struggling. However that is nothing to do with relative poverty which is a bullshit concept and one that I challenge every time someone tries to use it for some bleeding heart virtue signalling. As I said, relative poverty is only about unevenness of income and borders on promoting communism. It has nothing to do with whether or not people are struggling to pay their energy bills and feed their families.
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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 10:43:32 GMT
Tell it to the people in work, who still have to use food banks to feed their families.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 7, 2023 10:47:21 GMT
Actually around here the real issue is parking spaces for all the Rolls-Royces.
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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 10:48:32 GMT
Actually around here the real issue is parking spaces for all the Rolls-Royces. I always suspected you are posher than Andrew.😀
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Post by dogless on Nov 7, 2023 10:52:50 GMT
Dismissing an issue makes life more comfortable.
Saves having to be concerned about others.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 10:53:49 GMT
Tell it to the people in work, who still have to use food banks to feed their families. I would do if I could. I would say that whilst their life is hard at the moment, any statistics on relative poverty are completely irrelevant and just a bullshit smokescreen. Actually it just occurs to me that with the concept of relative poverty being about communism thinly disguised, what is wrong with the state and richer people providing food to people in need via food banks? I’m sure people attending food banks may feel stigmatised but that is only because they’ve been trained to think that way. Free food - how awful! What ultimately is the difference between me paying a lot of tax that goes to pay benefits to those in need, vs the same thing happening with food. Cash vs food, otherwise it’s the same concept - the rich people’s wealth being redistributed to the poor. The alternative is some sort of communist set up where everyone earns the same regardless of what they do. That has never worked before and will never work in the future.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 10:55:15 GMT
Dismissing an issue makes life more comfortable. Saves having to be concerned about others. Rog Dismissing a fake issue and concentrating on actual issues seems the right thing to do to me. But like Kris, I really do suspect that you don’t understand the concept of relative poverty.
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Post by dogless on Nov 7, 2023 11:00:15 GMT
It is indicative of the fundamental inequality in our society.
But carry on and dismiss the issue.
Piss on the fire Jack, my toasts done 😁
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 7, 2023 11:04:39 GMT
It is indicative of the fundamental inequality in our society. But carry on and dismiss the issue. Piss on the fire Jack, my toasts done 😁 Rog That is correct. However any time that someone has tried to create a society where everyone is equal, it has never worked. And if you think about it, why would someone bother to work very hard being, say, a hostpital consultant with all the associated stress taken home, when they could earn the same money working a till in Tesco and taking absolutely no stress home with them. The concept just doesn't work.
What is relevant is to ensure that the poorest in society have an adequate standard of living, but the measure of "relative poverty" does not address that issue at all.
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Post by kris on Nov 7, 2023 11:06:59 GMT
They should just get on their bikes aye?
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