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Post by on Feb 11, 2024 17:37:01 GMT
This whole benefits and ubi thing is interesting.
Some people may erroneously think that those on benefits are living off other peoples work.
It isn't quite that simple because one is in fact allowed to earn about £1,000 a month and pay no income tax. Do this and live on a Boat and there is no council tax either*.
Its only people who feel the urge to have more money than a basic living allowance who are contributing to the pool of money which gives out the dole. This is a choice. It is not essential to be a tax payer unless you want to have luxuries.
OK a grand a month isn't much but I d be happy with it. Ironically they pay that for a mooring I don't even want !!
So in effect people who are claiming benefits are living off the option taken by those who do want to work to earn more money than they need.
If everyone arranged their lives so that they earned £1000 a month it would be quite amusing but it can't happen due to greed instinct being more powerful than the brain.
*Ah. How does one buy the Boat?
Everything would be far cheaper if nobody had excess money.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 17:37:10 GMT
Anyway with out some sort of UBI our society will go to shit. A capitalist/consumer society can’t function without people to buy the products. If they are replacing labour with robotics and AI making lots of people redundant, who is going to buy the products to make the profits? So it will make sense to the people at the top to give the mass populace enough money to buy the products. Robotics and AI are nowhere near being able to replace human labour. Some sectors may be affected but the labour force will simply be deployed elsewhere. I was being told 20 years ago that I wouldn't be working up until retirement age because trucks would all be autonomous by 2025. I don’t know, it seems to be speeding up. A lot of the jobs that ai will take over are white collar. So the 80’s decimated the manufacturing industry in this country so having a detrimental effect on the working class. But this next decade it will be the white collar workers and the middle class that gets decimated. They are the ones holding assets that the 1% want. I think you are right though truck drivers won’t be out of a job, not in your lifetime anyway.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 11, 2024 17:55:38 GMT
There are no signs of automated trucks making an appearance any time soon. I've only got another 18 months to go until I reach retirement age although I will carry on working if I can keep passing the medical (which will become an annual thing then) simply because I actually enjoy going to work, it's just the right amount of social contact (i.e. not much) and I do enjoy handling an articulated lorry.
I also think white collar jobs will be more affected but then I suppose they have been for a long time now, look at office photos from the 1960s and you'll see row after row of men sitting at desks cranking away at adding machines, a day's work for 200 men doing that can be done in two seconds by a computer nowadays.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 17:59:20 GMT
Only 18months till you retire? I thought you were only in your mid 50’s.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 11, 2024 18:04:33 GMT
Only 18months till you retire? I thought you were only in your mid 50’s. You are too kind Kris, I'm 65 this year.
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Post by dogless on Feb 11, 2024 18:06:31 GMT
Only 18months till you retire? I thought you were only in your mid 50’s. You are too kind Kris, I'm 65 this year. Trust me ... he looks a lot younger in his writing. In person however ... Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 11, 2024 18:08:47 GMT
Kris has actually met me though, twice. I think it must be the unruly mop of boyish chestnut hair that does it.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 18:09:08 GMT
Only 18months till you retire? I thought you were only in your mid 50’s. You are too kind Kris, I'm 65 this year. Now I understand why you went back to work early last year and won’t to continue working this year. If you’ve found somewhere you don’t mind working you may as well get it in while you can. As for white collar workers yes it started in the 60’s. It’s the same process, but it seems to have accelerated and care even less for the individuals involved than before.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 18:11:39 GMT
You are too kind Kris, I'm 65 this year. Trust me ... he looks a lot younger in his writing. In person however ... Rog Don’t get me wrong I thought he’d had a hard life, but still thought he’s younger than he is. Just goes to show, what do I know. Ps Ireland are going to win the six nations.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 18:12:21 GMT
Kris has actually met me though, twice. I think it must be the unruly mop of boyish chestnut hair that does it. I think still having some hair, was what confused me.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 11, 2024 18:13:32 GMT
Kris has actually met me though, twice. I think it must be the unruly mop of boyish chestnut hair that does it. I think still having some hair, was what confused me. I don't just have "some hair", I have a glorious bouffant.
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Post by on Feb 11, 2024 18:14:15 GMT
If the chattering classes can't be kept busy with work and aspirations they might start questioning their role.
A lot of similar people questioning their role could get interesting.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 18:17:14 GMT
If the chattering classes can't be kept busy with work and aspirations they might start questioning their role. A lot of similar people questioning their role could get interesting. It’s already happening.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 11, 2024 18:34:22 GMT
If the chattering classes can't be kept busy with work and aspirations they might start questioning their role. A lot of similar people questioning their role could get interesting. Yes, I'm sure the greatest fear of the controlling classes is a bunch of hungry and desperate plebs ripping their hearts out and eating them in front of them.
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Post by kris on Feb 11, 2024 18:35:42 GMT
Well you know, eat the rich.
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