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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 8, 2024 17:39:02 GMT
One problem I can see for the Conservatives is that the voters voted for Boris Johnson, not some slimy Indian (© Naughtyfox).
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Post by kris on Mar 8, 2024 18:17:14 GMT
After this next election Boris will be back leading the Conservative party.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 8, 2024 18:27:23 GMT
Now that the Tories have stolen their precious scrapping of the non-dom status policy, the proceeds of which Labour had already committed to spend, several times over. The exension of the windfall tax on oil and gas businesses, another idea foghorned around by Labour, stolen by the Tories. They will cunningly employ a press officer who is adept at the avoidance of incomplete sentences.
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 8, 2024 19:09:51 GMT
Unlikely indeed, but if you have any view that is inconsistent with any ethnic community, you are automatically branded as such. Yeah, you just can't say paki wog or nigger without some woke twat calling you out for it these days. Country's gone to the dogs. Your words, not mine.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 8, 2024 23:42:38 GMT
You could describe it as desperate but equally, it's very smart. They've left Labour with nowhere to go. Apart from what Dogless described, the party of change (no change really) just for change's sake. Nowhere to go? plenty they can do, you'll see when they are in power. So, how can they do things that cost money when: 1/ They have promised not to increase taxes 2/ They have promised not to increase borrowing All that's left is money printing and growing the economy. Growing the economy doesn't just happen by saying 'we will grow the economy'. Growing the economy in a competitive, global market requires an increase in productivity. The disposal of waste. Watering down of regulations, perhaps. It seems unlikely that a political party with a natural affiliation to trade unions and regulation by substantial government is well placed to increase productivity. Or dispose of waste.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 9, 2024 0:23:58 GMT
Nowhere to go? plenty they can do, you'll see when they are in power. It seems unlikely that a political party with a natural affiliation to...regulation by substantial government is well placed to increase productivity. Only if you ascribe to a homespun philosophy that government control equals lack of growth. Mind you, it's true if you work in finance. With some luck the restrictive details of current export and import rules can be mitigated. Maybe. It will be a tough noose to loosen though.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 9, 2024 0:48:31 GMT
It seems unlikely that a political party with a natural affiliation to...regulation by substantial government is well placed to increase productivity. Only if you ascribe to a homespun philosophy that government control equals lack of growth. Mind you, it's true if you work in finance. With some luck the restrictive details of current export and import rules can be mitigated. Maybe. It will be a tough noose to loosen though. Government control could promote growth. By for example, throwing money at the public sector. More money in the economy drives growth in the private sector, there's the multiplier effect, bingo! Corbyn's plan, basically. That needs substantial borrowing though. Labour have already ruled this out. Government control/ regulation does tend to impact competitiveness though. 'You can't do this' or, 'you must do this this way'. 'You must wear this' or 'you must record this, and employ this team of safety officers and administrators', for example. If there are businesses in two countries, one bound by lots of such rules, another where there's a free for all, it's obvious which business will have the competitive advantage. We operate in a global market, nobody is looking to change that. That's not to say that a free for all without standards or safety is desirable. Rather, I'm pointing out how difficult it is to improve relative competitiveness, if the ethos of an incoming government is for higher regulation, rather than lower regulation. It's easy to say 'we will grow the economy' but actually doing this is another kettle of fish. There are lots of other countries out there, also looking to grow their economies. All countries, it would probably be fair to say. Some who realise that the best way to grow an economy, all other things aside, is to have as little regulation as possible.
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Post by Aloysius on Mar 9, 2024 1:04:32 GMT
Two things are absolutely certain, supposing Labour is in power; you'll find plenty to criticise, and we won't hear much about the other lot from you, unlike the current and opposite state of affairs. 🤣
Truthfully it will be an uphill job for whichever party inherits the hot seat. For one thing, like it or not the defence budget is going to increase.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 9, 2024 1:49:01 GMT
It will certainly be an uphill job for either party. I see no outcome other than things getting worse. The possible changes which could make things better are unpallatable. Not to me but democratically, so I must accept that.
The best I can do is future proof my own position, within the law. Which I've done, and will continue to do.
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 9, 2024 11:50:36 GMT
Until some way of controlling the unelected Civil Service, and Quangos populated by selected ex civil servants can be found, the will of the population, through their elected representatives will not count for a jot. And we all laughed at "Yes Minister"
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Post by Jim on Mar 9, 2024 12:01:00 GMT
Uphill struggle? After 13 years of a downward slide? Even little Tory supporters are sick to the back teeth. Grassroots Conservative supporters have lashed out at Jeremy Hunt’s budget as offering “nothing for working people” and “making things better for the rich”. Members of the Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO), which was founded by disgruntled Tories after Boris Johnson and then Liz Truss were removed, labelled their party “burnt toast” www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/07/grassroots-tories-hit-out-budget-party-burnt-toast
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 9, 2024 12:16:10 GMT
Jim still can't explain how Labour will change things. They've already ruled out most of the possibilities. It's fine to say that the Conservatives are crap, but that doesn't even go part way towards explaining how Labour will do things better.
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Post by Jim on Mar 9, 2024 12:38:51 GMT
Jim still can't explain how Labour will change things. They've already ruled out most of the possibilities. It's fine to say that the Conservatives are crap, but that doesn't even go part way towards explaining how Labour will do things better. There's a good reason why not, Tories will pinch the ideas or spoil them. You haven't explained why we should listen to a an "economic expert" who's 2 little businesses have failed. You should've practiced what you preach or maybe what you preach doesn't work.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 9, 2024 13:21:59 GMT
Jim still can't explain how Labour will change things. They've already ruled out most of the possibilities. It's fine to say that the Conservatives are crap, but that doesn't even go part way towards explaining how Labour will do things better. There's a good reason why not, Tories will pinch the ideas or spoil them. You haven't explained why we should listen to a an "economic expert" who's 2 little businesses have failed. You should've practiced what you preach or maybe what you preach doesn't work. I've never had a business fail. The only business I've ever owned was a day hire boat, which I sold for a handsome profit. I had investments, 3 buy to lets, which I sold, for handsome profits. I now have a combination of fixed rate savings accounts, cash ISAs, Stocks and shares ISA's, premium bonds, bitcoin, managed funds, precious metals, whiskey and a forestry fund the combination of which pay me far more handsomely than did the buy to lets, without me having to lift a finger or pay a penny in tax. Legally, of course. You see Jim, moving on isn't failing. That's what smart people do. When things change, they move on. You'll doubtless continue to delude yourself that you're the head of a social organisation. The head, who takes all the profits. The head, who will have to pay whacking great sums in capital gains tax if, which seems highly unlikely, he ever does move on in life.
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Post by Jim on Mar 10, 2024 7:28:35 GMT
There's a good reason why not, Tories will pinch the ideas or spoil them. You haven't explained why we should listen to a an "economic expert" who's 2 little businesses have failed. You should've practiced what you preach or maybe what you preach doesn't work. I've never had a business fail. The only business I've ever owned was a day hire boat, which I sold for a handsome profit. I had investments, 3 buy to lets, which I sold, for handsome profits. I now have a combination of fixed rate savings accounts, cash ISAs, Stocks and shares ISA's, premium bonds, bitcoin, managed funds, precious metals, whiskey and a forestry fund the combination of which pay me far more handsomely than did the buy to lets, without me having to lift a finger or pay a penny in tax. Legally, of course. You see Jim, moving on isn't failing. That's what smart people do. When things change, they move on. You'll doubtless continue to delude yourself that you're the head of a social organisation. The head, who takes all the profits. The head, who will have to pay whacking great sums in capital gains tax if, which seems highly unlikely, he ever does move on in life. the delusion is with those who think a social enterprise, a charity, has a "profit" which can be claimed by the board trustees, directors in greedworld speak. No, any profit is recycled back into the business. If the business closes for whatever reason, any assets are to be passed on to a charity of similar aims. The sale of rental houses attracts capital gains of course, paid in full when it's been due. The sale of our own house won't, been here a while too😉.
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