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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 19:47:01 GMT
They are a licensing authority and merely reminded one of their customers who made (jokingly apparently) threats to block a waterway by taking an unsuitable craft on it, of the consequences of that action.
Once the public 'joking' threats had been brought to their attention, what else would you have them do ?
Rog
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Post by on Mar 27, 2024 19:49:31 GMT
NBTA.
Dickheads.
end
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 19:51:37 GMT
Crt have done a great job of indoctrination. Not everything td says about crt is lies.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 19:55:48 GMT
There are plenty of criticisms that can and are levelled at C&RT kris but I genuinely don't see this as one. It's manufactured outrage. It's not dissimilar to getting the 'overstay' text incorrectly and ringing up to point out the error. Perhaps the moral is don't post joking threats on Facebook. Rog
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 19:57:12 GMT
Just read the email, which is signed and concludes with "kind regards". Not threatening is it. Rog You had decided it was a non threatening email before you had even read it. I think there are a few people on here let there hatred of td colour their view of crt.
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 19:58:04 GMT
They are a licensing authority and merely reminded one of their customers who made (jokingly apparently) threats to block a waterway by taking an unsuitable craft on it, of the consequences of that action. Once the public 'joking' threats had been brought to their attention, what else would you have them do ? Rog So you think is good use of crts resources?
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Post by brummieboy on Mar 27, 2024 20:02:04 GMT
Perhaps the moral is don't post on Facebook. Rog FTFY Rog
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 20:04:50 GMT
Just read the email, which is signed and concludes with "kind regards". Not threatening is it. Rog You had decided it was a non threatening email before you had even read it. I think there are a few people on here let there hatred of td colour their view of crt. I said I've just read the e mail which ends 'kind regards' and is signed ... how is that threatening ? If the threats made to block the waterway have been brought to C&RT attention , I don't think it unreasonable for them to send an e mail to their customer and point out this would be a mistake. To do nothing and then take action after the event, the complaint would be C&RT could have stopped it. What exactly do you see as the problem kris ... I really don't see ? Rog
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 27, 2024 21:18:40 GMT
www.facebook.com/groups/londonboaters/permalink/10159408598036286/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6vIt's good that this group seems to see the C&RT for what it really is - a useless mismanaged shambles that lost its way from the day it came into being - but it's not good that their reactions are so badly misdirected.The C&RT is a private limited company that, having been given the responsibility for running and maintaining a publicly owned historic national asset, is leaving that historic national asset to fall apart to the extent that it no longer functions reliably or properly.
Meantime, the senior management of this private limited company concentrates on managerial empire building, by creating vast numbers of new utterly pointless jobs and positions for office chair polishers who make no useful contribution whatsoever to the running and maintaining of our inland waterways.
The largely useless, and sometimes criminally inclined, contractors that have replaced all but a very few of the directly employed operating and maintenance staff that the C&RT inherited from British Waterways, do very nicely out of this crackpot regime, . . generally using plant, equipment and maintenance craft that the C&RT management have sold off to them for a tiny fraction of their true value.It's quite pointless to target relatively lowly C&RT minions such as that arsehole Simon Cadek, Licence Support Supervisor for London Central & East . All available time effort and resources should be concentrated against the conduct and actions of C&RT's corrupt and useless senior management, and with them, the crooked contractors, and the bent lawyers. Remove them and their malign influence from OUR waterways, . . and the money C&RT does have to spend could then be channelled into running and maintaining the C&RT controlled inland waterways, . . instead of going into the corrupt management's, crooked contractor's, and bent lawyer's pockets, . . and into the pointless non-productive managerial empire building that has typified C&RT's administration since inception in 2012One notable example of sort of thing that deserves some long overdue special attention from inland waterways pressure groups is the national pseudo-legal, and now highly organised, boat stealing operation that C&RT, along with its crooked contractors, Commercial Boat Services, has expanded and perfected since C&RT came into being in 2012. The total annual cost of this would go a long way towards covering the cost of a sizeable proportion of the maintenance that, under Parry's incompetent and discredited overall management, IS NOT getting done. C&RT has become a national sick joke - it's not doing what it was created to do - and if our inland waterways are to survive as useable navigations, it MUST be turned back into something that at least bears a passing resemblance to a navigation authority. That process has to start somewhere, . . and as good a place as any to start would be with C&RT's profligate and wholly ineffective senior management, starting with chief empire builders, CEO Richard Parry, and Company Secretary/Head of Legal & Governance Services, Tom Deards, . . then followed with specimens such as Aymes and Symonds. The following brief outline of the way C&RT's boat stealing scam operates is not meant as one possible suggested cure-all for everything that's wrong at C&RT, . . and should not be seen as such, . . but the total annual cost of C&RT's squads of 'Enforcement Teams', the huge number of lawyers who make up its Legal & Governance Services, and its massively expensive 'boat removal' contractors, all add up a major item in terms of misspent money, . . and it's that money the NBTA, and anyone else who wants to continue boating on our inland waterways, should be directing their efforts and energy towards getting spent on maintenance, . . instead of on corrupt senior management and crooked contractor pocket-lining. _______________________________________________________________ From their unprofessional conduct, to their ingrained dishonesty, and their general lack of moral decency, C&RT's corrupt management and its crooked lawyers have a great deal in common with the corrupt management and crooked lawyers at the Post Office, . . the dishonest so-called professionals who, between themselves and the blinkered Court system, have been the architects of the most serious miscarriage of justice in British legal history.
At the time of the original prosecutions, and during the ongoing inquiry into the Post Office's wrongful prosecutions brought against so many hundreds of Sub-postmasters, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the Post Office's corrupt management, and its crooked lawyers, have been wilfully lying to and misleading the Courts for a great many years with their concocted evidence and intentionally evasive testimony.
Why is it so difficult for so many people to believe that C&RT's professional liars - its senior management and its bent lawyers - wouldn't be capable of doing, or haven't already done, something remarkably similar to what the Post Office managers and lawyers did, and in some cases still are doing, to all those Sub-Postmasters through the Courts.
Well, that's just what C&RT's professional liars have done, . . to the hundreds of boat owners who have, in effect, had their boats, homes, and personal goods and belongings stolen from them by means of a well rehearsed pseudo-legal sham, with the outward appearance of a correct and properly conducted legal process, but in truth entails lying to and deceiving everyone, from, firstly and most importantly, the Courts, . . then the Police, . . and finally the owner or occupier of the boat in question.
Since its formal beginning in July 2012 the C&RT has dishonestly obtained huge numbers of what are technically (in Law) worthless Court Orders that have then been used by C&RT staff and contractors committing the serious criminal offence of impersonating bona fide Officers of the Court (formerly known as Bailiffs) and calling themselves 'Enforcement Officers', unlawfully to evict people from their boats, . . then unlawfully to seize their boats (usually complete with all contents, personal belongings, tools, goods etc.), . . then finally, and again unlawfully, . . craned out of the C&RT controlled or managed inland waterway, and transported, from wherever in England or Wales it might happen to be, by road, to storage on farm land near Chester.
The storage land at the farm near Chester, where all these so-called 'removed' Section 8 boats are taken, is owned by one Brian Clarke, the crooked Managing Director and owner of a company called Commercial Boat Services [CBS]. It is CBS that provides C&RT with the phoney 'Enforcement Officers', . . the ones who lie to and deceive the Police, so that they, . . the phoney 'Enforcement Officers', are then left free to intimidate and forcibly evict boat owners from their boats and homes. CBS also arranges and invoices C&RT for the cranes and the road transport to take the unlawfully 'seized' so-called 'removed Section 8 boats' to Brian Clarke's farm near Chester, . . where the expensive storage for all of them is paid for, weekly, by C&RT.
Brian Clarke, and his distinctly dubious company, make a powerful lot of money out of stealing people's boats on behalf of the C&RT, . . and the net benefit to the waterways, and to the boat owners who use those waterways, is a big fat zero.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 27, 2024 21:30:18 GMT
Just read the email, which is signed and concludes with "kind regards". Not threatening is it. Rog Link doesn't work for me, can you post the email here?
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 21:46:43 GMT
uploadGot it ... hope it's readable Mr StabbyDo you think it's threatening ? Rog
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Post by kris on Mar 27, 2024 21:51:05 GMT
You need to read the thread for context. The point is a paying customer has posted a comment on Facebook. Crt then think it’s okay to respond to a Facebook post in this manner.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 21:54:46 GMT
kris ... they replied by private e mail to him and he's chosen to make it public. He made the threats publicly and I guess someone for whatever reason contacted C&RT. I'm sorry but I really don't see the issue. Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 27, 2024 21:56:10 GMT
uploadGot it ... hope it's readable Mr Stabby Do you think it's threatening ? Rog I'd have to say that doesn't come across to me as malevolent or threatening in any way at all. If the recipient had intended to deliberately obstruct a waterway and the authority in charge of the waterway became aware of that threat then I would expect them to issue words of advice to the person making the threat.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 22:02:13 GMT
According to the comments Mr Hopes has made a formal complaint about the matter.
Rog
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