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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 6:54:55 GMT
Its odd to me how medical attention and money is directed towards offenders often in preference to victims.
Classic example in the subject of this thread. Bloke drives into pedestrians in a car, jumps out of car stabs a copper gets shot by another copper. Medical teams concentrate on him being ok and see if they can stop him dying. Would it not be more appropriate to have used these medical resources to help care for the badly injured people on the bridge?
It was a suicide mission "suicide by cop" he knew that.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 24, 2017 8:35:01 GMT
They murdered five children aged between 10 and 17 in the 1960s, at least four of whom were tortured and sexually assaulted. Hindley died fifteen years ago but Brady is still alive. Let's assume that he is no longer a danger to children and remains incarcerated as punishment. Would you consider that he is suffering a wrong by being deprived of his liberty? Fortunately I don't have to decide. But you do have to decide, will you be doing something about this or nothing? It looks like you have decided to do nothing.
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Post by patty on Mar 24, 2017 8:37:05 GMT
Its odd to me how medical attention and money is directed towards offenders often in preference to victims. Classic example in the subject of this thread. Bloke drives into pedestrians in a car, jumps out of car stabs a copper gets shot by another copper. Medical teams concentrate on him being ok and see if they can stop him dying. Would it not be more appropriate to have used these medical resources to help care for the badly injured people on the bridge? I think in efforts to show care there for all it often can be seen to appear to be focused on the perpetrator of a deed 'Human Rights' very soon kick up if they think Mr Baddy has been treated unfairly despite what they do. When you take on any mantle of care/nurse/doctor/first aider its part of the job description to help those in need. I once had to have protection whilst attempting to do this procedure on a rapist...the person 'protecting' me had to be another female nurse as this man was allegedly scared of men...his wishes adhered to...what happened in that room most unpleasant for us and our 'rights' as women set aside for his demands. I struggled to accept why his demands took precedence over decency. In the hospital setting, criminals quite often appeared to have preferential treatment..their own room etc...part of that was to shield them from gawping eyes and partly to protect other clients from wannabe friends who would have a go at releasing Joe Scrote.
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Post by bills on Mar 24, 2017 8:38:42 GMT
Fortunately I don't have to decide. But you do have to decide, will you be doing something about this or nothing? It looks like you have decided to do nothing. How could he possibly do something about Ian Brady?
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 24, 2017 8:41:10 GMT
Nick is an intelligent bloke, I'm sure he'll come up with something.
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Post by bills on Mar 24, 2017 8:49:02 GMT
Its odd to me how medical attention and money is directed towards offenders often in preference to victims. Classic example in the subject of this thread. Bloke drives into pedestrians in a car, jumps out of car stabs a copper gets shot by another copper. Medical teams concentrate on him being ok and see if they can stop him dying. Would it not be more appropriate to have used these medical resources to help care for the badly injured people on the bridge? I once had to have protection whilst attempting to do this procedure on a rapist...the person 'protecting' me had to be another female nurse as this man was allegedly scared of men...his wishes adhered to...what happened in that room most unpleasant for us and our 'rights' as women set aside for his demands. I struggled to accept why his demands took precedence over decency. Was this just a case of poor judgement by the person "in charge"? I find it difficult to believe that this would be written into any policy or procedure.
Most organisations (except Dickensian sweatshops like Sports Direct) have safety policies which encourage the employee to take responsibility for their own safety and to challenge any practices which they feel put them at risk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:14:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 12:53:17 GMT
The utter trash that comes after an event like this beggars belief really. eg - this picture goes viral on Twitter claiming 'uncaring Muslim woman casually walks by one of the victims'. Spot the difference?? Strangely the second image didn't get so much attention........ Apart from the fact that we cannot possibly assess her state of mind as she walks past what possible obligation is there for any body to stop when an injured person is obviously being attended to by others. There is nothing worse at the scene of an accident or an incident like this than everybody offering you two penneth as to what to do.
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Post by bodger on Mar 24, 2017 14:28:58 GMT
.............. or, when on a motorway, slowing down to rubberneck at an accident on the other carriageway.
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Post by patty on Mar 24, 2017 15:01:25 GMT
The utter trash that comes after an event like this beggars belief really. eg - this picture goes viral on Twitter claiming 'uncaring Muslim woman casually walks by one of the victims'. Spot the difference?? Strangely the second image didn't get so much attention........ Apart from the fact that we cannot possibly assess her state of mind as she walks past what possible obligation is there for any body to stop when an injured person is obviously being attended to by others. There is nothing worse at the scene of an accident or an incident like this than everybody offering you two penneth as to what to do. The big difference I notice is picture number 1 seems to be focused on her phone ?texting...where as pic number 2 seems to be carrying his and has glanced over at the scene where there appears to be adequate assistance....I pass no judgement over any perceptions regarding race...just what I see... We cannot know what is in the mind of either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 15:34:14 GMT
The utter trash that comes after an event like this beggars belief really. eg - this picture goes viral on Twitter claiming 'uncaring Muslim woman casually walks by one of the victims'. Spot the difference?? Strangely the second image didn't get so much attention........ Apart from the fact that we cannot possibly assess her state of mind as she walks past what possible obligation is there for any body to stop when an injured person is obviously being attended to by others. There is nothing worse at the scene of an accident or an incident like this than everybody offering you two penneth as to what to do. The big difference I notice is picture number 1 seems to be focused on her phone ?texting...where as pic number 2 seems to be carrying his and has glanced over at the scene where there appears to be adequate assistance....I pass no judgement over any perceptions regarding race...just what I see... We cannot know what is in the mind of either.Exactly - It's a snap shot in a milli second in time - how on earth can anybody determine if how and when she hadn't looked walking up and decided she didn't want to look any further so focussed on her phone instead. Not everybody has to take an interest in seeing a badly injured person if it's clear they are already receiving care. Lots of people not trained for it wouldn't be able to do it even if help wasn't at hand. Although you claim you make no judgment or comment about race my point is the people who circulated it clearly did and clearly implied the woman was somehow dismissive of the incident and uncaring. And of course the 'win' for them was she happened to be wearing the Hijab....
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Post by thebfg on Mar 24, 2017 16:12:43 GMT
The big difference I notice is picture number 1 seems to be focused on her phone ?texting...where as pic number 2 seems to be carrying his and has glanced over at the scene where there appears to be adequate assistance....I pass no judgement over any perceptions regarding race...just what I see... We cannot know what is in the mind of either.Exactly - It's a snap shot in a milli second in time - how on earth can anybody determine if how and when she hadn't looked walking up and decided she didn't want to look any further so focussed on her phone instead. Not everybody has to take an interest in seeing a badly injured person if it's clear they are already receiving care. Lots of people not trained for it wouldn't be able to do it even if help wasn't at hand. Although you claim you make no judgment or comment about race my point is the people who circulated it clearly did and clearly implied the woman was somehow dismissive of the incident and uncaring. And of course the 'win' for them was she happened to be wearing the Hijab.... You could of course say she is on the phone to the emergency services but cannot look as she is scared of blood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 16:14:40 GMT
The utter trash that comes after an event like this beggars belief really. eg - this picture goes viral on Twitter claiming 'uncaring Muslim woman casually walks by one of the victims'. Spot the difference?? Strangely the second image didn't get so much attention........ Apart from the fact that we cannot possibly assess her state of mind as she walks past what possible obligation is there for any body to stop when an injured person is obviously being attended to by others. There is nothing worse at the scene of an accident or an incident like this than everybody offering you two penneth as to what to do. The big difference I notice is picture number 1 seems to be focused on her phone ?texting...where as pic number 2 seems to be carrying his and has glanced over at the scene where there appears to be adequate assistance....I pass no judgement over any perceptions regarding race...just what I see... We cannot know what is in the mind of either. She looks pretty distressed in my opinion.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 24, 2017 16:16:31 GMT
Perhaps we should demand to look at her phone records. Was she sending a WhatsApp message (and photo?), or an ordinary text message, or was she reading something - perhaps even Thunderboat? She could be sarahhoy!
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Post by thebfg on Mar 24, 2017 16:27:24 GMT
This is why I love our country. Proper humour
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