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Post by Telemachus on Jun 25, 2018 12:05:57 GMT
It must be some years since you've been up here if you think it's as wide as the Severn or Thames. Thanks for the explanation, but of course I understand the purpose of the courtesy. What I cannot grasp is why it is uniformly ignored on this waterway alone. I wondered if there were historic reasons, but it seems perhaps the residents like you, have just given up and travel to suit themselves. It strikes me as being strange, because all the 'slow down for moored boats' signs are about. The only boats that consistently slow down are the wide beams....oh of course and myself, but that's so I can enjoy a good neb Rog You have avoided answering my question which is - do these speeding boats actually disturb the moored boats? If they do then I would agree with you. If they don't then I don't really see your point. We were on the Bridgewater a couple of years ago. It is certainly not as deep as some of the rivers I mentioned, but it is deeper than your average midlands canal. We slowed down a bit, but not as much as we would have done say on the Coventry or T&M.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 25, 2018 13:35:59 GMT
Who cares about the boaters on the Bridgewater? They are all aiding and abetting tax-avoiders Peel Holdings. Drive past at Warp 9.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 13:41:23 GMT
A boat travelling at cruising speed pushes quite a bit of water in front of it, and then drags as it fills the space behind.
I thought you knew this, sorry.
Therefore a moored boat being passed will be subject to two forces in turn, first being pushed forward and second dragged back.
If you are correctly moored it's not a huge issue, unless you're in the shower, straining off pasta or pouring water from a kettle.
Hence the courtesy of slowing (in addition to being able to have a neb).
Obviously the courtesy is a modern phenomenon associated with leisure craft (like closing paddles and gates).
The Bridgewater being predominantly industrial and still so upto more recent times, maybe the idea just didn't catch on.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 25, 2018 14:32:19 GMT
A boat travelling at cruising speed pushes quite a bit of water in front of it, and then drags as it fills the space behind. I thought you knew this, sorry. Therefore a moored boat being passed will be subject to two forces in turn, first being pushed forward and second dragged back. If you are correctly moored it's not a huge issue, unless you're in the shower, straining off pasta or pouring water from a kettle. Hence the courtesy of slowing (in addition to being able to have a neb). Obviously the courtesy is a modern phenomenon associated with leisure craft (like closing paddles and gates). The Bridgewater being predominantly industrial and still so upto more recent times, maybe the idea just didn't catch on. Rog Yes I do know this, no need to be patronising and rude. What you seem to fail to appreciate is that whilst in both the cases of a narrow shallow canal, and a wider deeper one, the same amount of water is displaced (pushed and pulled, as you refer to it), the extent to which this effect reaches the bank and moored boats will be much less on a wide deep canal than on a shallow narrow one. On a wide deep canal the water can circulate round the boat without the circulation reaching the bank. On a river such as the Thames one can pass moored boats at normal cruising speed, and when the moored boats are observed they don’t move. They don’t strain on their lines and they don’t bob up and down. Slowing down would achieve nothing except to satisfy someone looking for something to feel aggrieved about. The Bridgewater is somewhere between the extremes and whether or not one needs to slow past moored boats will depend on the original cruising speed and the displacement of the boat. And of course whether the moored boats are on pins or rings, whether they are properly tied up or not. And various other factors. But the bottom line is that if the boats move and strain excessively, you were going too fast. If they don’t, you weren’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 14:42:41 GMT
A boat travelling at cruising speed pushes quite a bit of water in front of it, and then drags as it fills the space behind. I thought you knew this, sorry. Therefore a moored boat being passed will be subject to two forces in turn, first being pushed forward and second dragged back. If you are correctly moored it's not a huge issue, unless you're in the shower, straining off pasta or pouring water from a kettle. Hence the courtesy of slowing (in addition to being able to have a neb). Obviously the courtesy is a modern phenomenon associated with leisure craft (like closing paddles and gates). The Bridgewater being predominantly industrial and still so upto more recent times, maybe the idea just didn't catch on. Rog no need to be patronising and rude. that did make me chuckle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 16:42:05 GMT
Patronising and rude?
Re read your responses to me above....."you didn't answer the question" etc.
And if you think I' ve been rude, you should get out more.
Forget it.
Wish I'd never asked.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 25, 2018 16:46:38 GMT
Patronising and rude? Re read your responses to me above....."you didn't answer the question" etc. And if you think I' ve been rude, you should get out more. Forget it. Wish I'd never asked. Rog Because you have repeatedly complained about speeding boats, you have accused me of being one of them, and you have declined to enter into any sort of rational discussion about it. I’ll put it down to the hot weather (21 max in Aberdeen today, which is pleasant) causing you to need a rant.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 25, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
Patronising and rude? Re read your responses to me above....."you didn't answer the question" etc. And if you think I' ve been rude, you should get out more. Forget it. Wish I'd never asked. Rog When you put something in quotes there can be an expectation that it is a quote. But it isn't.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 25, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
+29C in Gargrave. All the water in the canal has boiled away and we're sitting on the dry, cracked bottom surrounded by shopping trolleys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 17:06:09 GMT
Sorry should have put "you have avoided answering my question".
And for the umpteenth time I AM NOT COMPLAINING I was curious why the rule/courtesy is uniformly ignored.
Haven't you got someone to bully on CWDF?
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 17:50:30 GMT
Patronising and rude? Re read your responses to me above....."you didn't answer the question" etc. And if you think I' ve been rude, you should get out more. Forget it. Wish I'd never asked. Rog Because you have repeatedly complained about speeding boats, you have accused me of being one of them, and you have declined to enter into any sort of rational discussion about it. I’ll put it down to the hot weather (21 max in Aberdeen today, which is pleasant) causing you to need a rant. I make it three times I have SPECIFICALLY said I'm not complaining. Do I have to explain again ? Rog
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Post by patty on Jun 25, 2018 18:03:24 GMT
Because you have repeatedly complained about speeding boats, you have accused me of being one of them, and you have declined to enter into any sort of rational discussion about it. I’ll put it down to the hot weather (21 max in Aberdeen today, which is pleasant) causing you to need a rant. I make it three times I have SPECIFICALLY said I'm not complaining. Do I have to explain again ? Rog Its a hot day..makes some folk tad grumpy..I'm grumpy..no I'm b..... mad..shower broke..3rd time in 3 years(only bin in 3 years)..her next door..u know who I mean has managed to block drainage channel I dug out for septic tank filtration..she chucked load rubbish over. Ive had to dig it out, cut up yet more rusty metal sheets and re do it all..so Nick is a minor irritation in anyones life.....and YES I know I've taken this off topic.. For Sale lovely cottage with near perfect neighbours.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 18:09:38 GMT
You're right Patty....we've had a lovely day, gorgeous weather and nothing to get ratty about.
Sorry your day wasn't tip top.
It'll all be behind you soon enough I'm sure.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 25, 2018 19:20:23 GMT
Sorry should have put "you have avoided answering my question". And for the umpteenth time I AM NOT COMPLAINING I was curious why the rule/courtesy is uniformly ignored. Haven't you got someone to bully on CWDF? Rog and I was trying to explore reasons why the normal way of slowing down on narrow shallow canals might be a bit different on the Bridgewater. But you didn't want to discuss it, you merely wanted to keep repeating your original point whilst implying that I was a serial speeder past moored boats.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 20:51:26 GMT
This is getting silly. First of all I wasn't complaining......how many times? Secondly, I haven't accused anyone of speeding. I'll be off the canal tomorrow and I REALLY wish I'd never asked the question now. Glorious weather for boating Rog
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