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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 18:46:24 GMT
Fluid dynamics. Slowing down on canals is just another way to get people agitated with each other and divert their attention away from the maintenance and dredging. same as closing lock gates.
It makes no sense to slow down past moored boats. I do it all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 19:09:40 GMT
Why do you read criticism into everything? It is a fact that boats travel faster, and don't slow passing moored boats. I was wondering if there were background reasons for this, but decided probably not. That's all really. Nothing to see, move along please. Rog When you say someone can’t be bothered to do something that you have said would be courteous, because they can’t be arsed, I would say that is a criticism in most people’s book. There are background reasons for it but you didn’t want to hear them. So now it's not just your opinion, it's "most peoples book" Lovely day again. Been to the Salt Barge for a pint. What a jolly nice pub that is. Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 27, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
When you say someone can’t be bothered to do something that you have said would be courteous, because they can’t be arsed, I would say that is a criticism in most people’s book. There are background reasons for it but you didn’t want to hear them. So now it's not just your opinion, it's "most peoples book" Rog Yes. Definition of criticism (not my personal definition, but most people’s definition, including the writers of dictionaries) “the expression of disapproval of someone or something on the basis of perceived faults or mistakes“. In what way does that not fit with your comments?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 19:16:58 GMT
One needs a Hudson owner around to keep one on the straight and narrow Rog ETA three separate posts have specifically pointed out that I am not complaining, but making an observation. But feel free to carry on. You know you want a fight tiger.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 27, 2018 19:20:29 GMT
One needs a Hudson owner around to keep one on the straight and narrow Rog It is odd that normally, you are fairly rational. But on this topic you are entirely incapable of interacting on a rational basis. Very odd.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 27, 2018 20:07:13 GMT
One needs a Hudson owner around to keep one on the straight and narrow Rog ETA three separate posts have specifically pointed out that I am not complaining, but making an observation. But feel free to carry on. You know you want a fight tiger. Three separate posts have specifically pointed out that you aren’t complaining, whilst at the same time being criticisms of those not conforming to your expected behaviour. So as you say not so much complaints, more criticisms.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 21:39:37 GMT
"Your expected behaviour"
I would suggest slowing down passing moored boats is merely custom and practice based on courtesy and consideration and owes nothing to my expectations.
I observed the practice is almost uniformly ignored on the Bridgewater, and mused that perhaps there was a reason.
No such reason has been forthcoming, so I draw my own conclusion.
No criticism.
No complaint.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 27, 2018 22:02:57 GMT
"Your expected behaviour" I would suggest slowing down passing moored boats is merely custom and practice based on courtesy and consideration and owes nothing to my expectations. I observed the practice is almost uniformly ignored on the Bridgewater, and mused that perhaps there was a reason. No such reason has been forthcoming, so I draw my own conclusion. No criticism. No complaint. Rog Except that I have repeatedly provided the reason, which you seem determined to ignore even though it is elementary. It is custom and practice on narrow shallow waterways. It is not custom and practice on wide deep waterways because it is pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
What?
Are you really suggesting a boat travelling on the Bridgewater does not displace water sufficiently to move moored boats?
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 27, 2018 22:50:59 GMT
What? Are you really suggesting a boat travelling on the Bridgewater does not displace water sufficiently to move moored boats? Rog More than on a river yes. But less than on a more normal sized canal. I asked you if the allegedly speeding boats were actually moving the moored boats around significantly. You didn’t answer. This surely is the only relevant point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 8:02:16 GMT
If water moves (which it of course does when a boat cruises at 3/4 mph) anything floating on the water from boats to ducks, will also move.
The extent of the movement will be restricted if a boat is correctly moored, but it will still move about.
This sudden movement can occasionally cause problems in a boat, hence the custom and practice to minimize the movement by slowing.
What you or I do passing moored boats is irrelevant.
Bridgewater boaters, in the main, do not slow down on that canal.
That really was all I was discussing, a simple musing over a brew.
Rog
ETA Hope the Liverpool trip comes off in August.
It is excellent.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 28, 2018 10:19:30 GMT
If water moves (which it of course does when a boat cruises at 3/4 mph) anything floating on the water from boats to ducks, will also move. The extent of the movement will be restricted if a boat is correctly moored, but it will still move about. This sudden movement can occasionally cause problems in a boat, hence the custom and practice to minimize the movement by slowing. What you or I do passing moored boats is irrelevant. Bridgewater boaters, in the main, do not slow down on that canal. That really was all I was discussing, a simple musing over a brew. Rog ETA Hope the Liverpool trip comes off in August. It is excellent. The water does move around the boat as you previously describe. That movement decreases as one gets further from the boat and also decreases faster in deeper water. So the effect on moored boats is far less on a wide deep canal than on a narrow shallow one. We always slow to tickover before reaching moored boats when on narrow shallow “typical” canals of the midlands. Even then, the effect on moored boats is often significant due to our deep draft and big propellor. If we are passing people who are just tying up - still holding one or both ropes pending attachmenh to the bank, we will often go into neutral to prevent them having to struggle with 15-20 tonnes of wayward boat. Conversely on a wide and deep river and on the occasional wide and deep canal such as the Bridgewater, the same or less effect on the moored boats occurs when we pass at normal cruise speed or perhaps only slightly reduced speed. To go to tickover would be pointless since the effect on the moored boats is already minimal. I keep asking if you observed these speeding Bridgewater boats actually having a bad effect on the moored boats but you haven’t answered. I can’t help thinking that if you had seen this, you would have said so by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 12:41:45 GMT
Have a pleasant day Nick.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 14:30:54 GMT
If water moves (which it of course does when a boat cruises at 3/4 mph) anything floating on the water from boats to ducks, will also move. The extent of the movement will be restricted if a boat is correctly moored, but it will still move about. This sudden movement can occasionally cause problems in a boat, hence the custom and practice to minimize the movement by slowing. What you or I do passing moored boats is irrelevant. Bridgewater boaters, in the main, do not slow down on that canal. That really was all I was discussing, a simple musing over a brew. Rog ETA Hope the Liverpool trip comes off in August. It is excellent. The water does move around the boat as you previously describe. That movement decreases as one gets further from the boat and also decreases faster in deeper water. So the effect on moored boats is far less on a wide deep canal than on a narrow shallow one. We always slow to tickover before reaching moored boats when on narrow shallow “typical” canals of the midlands. Even then, the effect on moored boats is often significant due to our deep draft and big propellor. If we are passing people who are just tying up - still holding one or both ropes pending attachmenh to the bank, we will often go into neutral to prevent them having to struggle with 15-20 tonnes of wayward boat. Conversely on a wide and deep river and on the occasional wide and deep canal such as the Bridgewater, the same or less effect on the moored boats occurs when we pass at normal cruise speed or perhaps only slightly reduced speed. To go to tickover would be pointless since the effect on the moored boats is already minimal. I keep asking if you observed these speeding Bridgewater boats actually having a bad effect on the moored boats but you haven’t answered. I can’t help thinking that if you had seen this, you would have said so by now. I reckon dogless spilt his tea when a passing vessel caused movement he was not expecting. Its quite shocking when boats go past fast enough to cause this to happen. I hate it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 15:56:30 GMT
No.
I can moor well enough to prevent excessive movement.
But sat having a brew I did cogitate on why boaters don't slow down on there, when they mostly do everywhere else.
Just seemed to be an anomaly.
I really think they should slow down, but they don't.
Rog
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