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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 9:43:00 GMT
Better to do it by boat. In 2007 on Parglena we managed from QE2 bridge to 100metres short of Hannington bridge which was a bridge to far. Blimey ! I've been up to (and past) Hannington bridge in a kayak but never got that far in any of my narrow boats or barge. When I went up there (about 20 years ago) it was all overgrown would have been very awkward to get a motor boat up there.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 26, 2018 10:11:24 GMT
I was quite surprised how much quicker you can get up to Yorkshire via the River Trent (tidal and non-tidal). I was thinking we might try it from South to North - where John was parked at Hazelford in July the Trent didn't look like nuffink to us, not scary at all. But anyway, that's 5 years in the future. And beforehand, we could drive over many Trent bridges and peer down and make our own judgements. River Trent at Fiskerton - not really scary River Trent at Newark - pussycat River Trent at Torksey - not a problem River Trent at Gainsborough - hmmm... getting wider River Trent at Keadby - probably OK if not a raging torrent. Turn left here for the Stainforth & Keadby Canal and into safety!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:16:27 GMT
Thinking that the river Trent is easy peasy can be a mistake.
Like all rivers it can be very gentle and benign, but don't for a second believe it cannot change, and relatively quickly.
I love my canal boat, but on the canals it was built for.
If I was to spend most of my time on rivers this is the wrong boat.
A bit like taking a knife to a gun fight.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 26, 2018 10:23:32 GMT
I was quite surprised how much quicker you can get up to Yorkshire via the River Trent (tidal and non-tidal). This for example from Canal Plan ... Trip from Hillmorton to York Marina Via River Trent 218 miles, 59 locks, 83 hours To get to the North from the Midlands the Trent knocks all the other routes into a cocked hat, but I don't know where they're getting their figures from. I haven't totted up the mileage, but from Hilmorton there are 14 x single locks to Fradley, 11 x single locks from Fradley to Burton (Dallow Lane), 6 x double locks from Burton to the Trent, 12 x locks on the Trent to Cromwell, and then just 1 x lock at Naburn on the Ouse to get you to York. That's 44 in total by my reckoning, . . . even with my shoes and socks still on !
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Post by Jim on Aug 26, 2018 10:28:50 GMT
I was quite surprised how much quicker you can get up to Yorkshire via the River Trent (tidal and non-tidal). This for example from Canal Plan ... Trip from Hillmorton to York Marina Via River Trent 218 miles, 59 locks, 83 hours To get to the North from the Midlands the Trent knocks all the other routes into a cocked hat, but I don't know where they're getting their figures from. I haven't totted up the mileage, but from Hilmorton there are 14 x single locks to Fradley, 11 x single locks from Fradley to Burton (Dallow Lane), 6 x double locks from Burton to the Trent, 12 x locks on the Trent to Cromwell, and then just 1 x lock at Naburn on the Ouse to get you to York. That's 43 in total by my reckoning, . . . even with my shoes and socks still on ! That's presuming you are brave or foolhardy, going by Trent Falls and not via the stainforth and keadby etc to selby canal. I'd love to go via Trent Falls, done Selby - York a couple of times and Keadby to Nottingham once. Great fun.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:39:22 GMT
Thinking that the river Trent is easy peasy can be a mistake. Like all rivers it can be very gentle and benign, but don't for a second believe it cannot change, and relatively quickly. I love my canal boat, but on the canals it was built for. If I was to spend most of my time on rivers this is the wrong boat. A bit like taking a knife to a gun fight. Rog Having experienced being caught on the Non tidal Trent and Soar in the flood I agree it can be ‘exciting’! However so long as you keep an eye on the weather forecasts and river levels everyone should be fine (bearing in mind that it can take a while for water to run into the river from the hills!). My problem many years back was getting caught because I was more naive and didn’t check. As regards serous risks with narrow boats on rivers (e.g collisions), I wonder how many people have died from this over the last few years? I know that there have been some fatalities over the years on canals. Probably due to alcohol and lock hang up’s I was told a story many years ago (don’t know if it’s true) about a guy being decapitated whilst passing under a very low canal bridge. The story goes that it was a stag party. Someone shouted out to the guy, he poked his head up to look back and......
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 26, 2018 11:00:01 GMT
Thinking that the river Trent is easy peasy can be a mistake. Like all rivers it can be very gentle and benign, but don't for a second believe it cannot change, and relatively quickly. I love my canal boat, but on the canals it was built for. If I was to spend most of my time on rivers this is the wrong boat. A bit like taking a knife to a gun fight. Rog I was told a story many years ago (don’t know if it’s true) about a guy being decapitated whilst passing under a very low canal bridge. The story goes that it was a stag party. Someone shouted out to the guy, he poked his head up to look back and...... Yes, entirely possible - your head against 15 tonnes of moving boat and the edge of a bridge. I have sometimes stood on the roof of our boat taking photos, but you really need to watch out for bridges! Perhaps it's time to start a new thread 'Gory Stories of the Cut'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 12:08:45 GMT
I heard someone was killed at Aldermaston lifting bridge on the K&A because their head became trapped. I can't find any reference to it on Google so it may not be true. I would have thought the MAIB would do a report.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 12:10:43 GMT
I heard someone was killed at Aldermaston lifting bridge on the K&A because their head became trapped. I can't find any reference to it on Google so it may not be true. I would have thought the MAIB would do a report. It was a long time ago (maybe 20 years ago) and I think the source was from someone who ran a hire boat business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 12:12:20 GMT
It was a bloke at the hire boat company near the bridge who told me. In September 2001 I remember the approximate date I was told about it as we went on the K&A just after the world trade center demolition which was 11th of September 2001. Not sure when it actually happened but about 20 years ago seems pretty accurate. If it did happen.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 26, 2018 12:14:17 GMT
June 24th 2008
A horrific accident has taken place at Buxton Lane Swing Bridge on the Ashton Canal.
A 15-year-old girl has had both legs amputated after becoming trapped between the bridge and the side of the canal. It has been reported that she had been dangling her legs either from the bridge or a concrete wall against which the bridge opened. Her friends pushed the bridge away to release her before the arrival of the emergency services.
The accident is being investigated by British Waterways, the Greater Manchester Police and the Health and Safety Executive.
The bridge is normally locked shut when not being used by a boat. It is not known at this stage whether a boater left the swing bridge unlocked or whether the children had acquired a key.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 26, 2018 12:19:16 GMT
18th June 2018
Father and son found dead after 'magnet fishing' in Huddersfield canal
'We really don't know what happened. One of them may have fallen in and the other one has tried to help but that is only an assumption,' say police
A father and son have died in a canal after going magnet fishing for discarded metal.
The 43-year-old man and his 19-year-old son were found dead by police divers in Huddersfield on Saturday evening after a local noticed their belongings left by the canal.
The men, from Pudsey, Leeds, had gone to a stretch of canal close to the River Calder at 6.15am, West Yorkshire Police have said.
The Huddersfield Examiner has identified the men as Martin Andrews and his son Jack.
Police are unsure exactly how the accident that led to the pair's deaths occurred.
A spokesman said the man's wife told officers they had gone "magnet fishing", which is a hobby involving trawling waterways for metal using a very strong magnet on a rope.
Officers were first alerted at about 11.20am on Saturday by a passer-by who noticed clothing, a mobile phone, a camera and car keys left by the waterside for at least 50 minutes.
The police used the keys to locate a nearby car and this was traced to an address in Pudsey, the force confirmed.
A woman at the address confirmed her husband and son had gone out hours earlier.
The police spokesman said: "Police were called around 11.18am on Saturday June 16 to the canal side, near to Navigation House in Cooper Bridge, Huddersfield after it was believed two men entered the water.
"Officers conducted extensive enquiries to locate the men, and the police underwater search unit attended. The bodies of two men were recovered from the water around 7.20pm.
"They are believed to be a father and son from the Leeds area. The family have been notified.
"There are not thought to be any suspicious circumstances at this time and a file is being prepared for the coroner."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 13:11:48 GMT
I was told a story many years ago (don’t know if it’s true) about a guy being decapitated whilst passing under a very low canal bridge. The story goes that it was a stag party. Someone shouted out to the guy, he poked his head up to look back and...... That was on the River Wey, cant remember exactly where but can see the bridge in my mind, Trowers bridge if I remember correctly, however it want the navigation arch but one of the side arches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 13:13:44 GMT
Better to do it by boat. In 2007 on Parglena we managed from QE2 bridge to 100metres short of Hannington bridge which was a bridge to far. Blimey ! I've been up to (and past) Hannington bridge in a kayak but never got that far in any of my narrow boats or barge. When I went up there (about 20 years ago) it was all overgrown would have been very awkward to get a motor boat up there. 52ftx11ft6 it did involve a dinghy and a saw to enable passage
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 26, 2018 15:32:05 GMT
It has been established that one of the major factors contributing to every one of the recent incidents is that C&RT and their wholly owned subsidiary, BWML, are releasing pleasure craft into the Thames at Limehouse and failing, in every instance, to notify the PLA's Vessel Traffic Services (VTS) of the presence of these inbound pleasure craft on what is the busiest part of the river with the greatest concentration of bridges and large and/or fast moving commercial vessels. If I have understood previous stuff about this, it isn't CRT or BWML's responsibility to inform the PLA or the boater of their responsibilities (please correct me if I'm wrong). Obviously you (and me - but don't take much notice of what I think, I'm just learning) you think they should inform the PLA. Might be worthwhile if you explained why and how this might affect 'personal' responsibility for informing PLA. As you have 'named names', Magnetman has admitted to not informing the PLA of his trips - I'm struggling to understand whether you (and maybe others) wish a change of the rules or people to know and abide by the rules. It really all boils down to common sense and good practice, which don't enter into C&RT's actions or thinking in any shape or form, but do influence and drive the way a 'real' harbour authority's Vessel Traffic Services (VTS) radio operates and works to partly control, but mainly to assist and/or inform, those in charge of every one of the vessels underway, or about to get underway, in the area they cover. On busy commercial waterways vessel movements and the way the VTS works isn't entirely governed by hard and fast rules. The name 'Vessel Traffic Services' says it all really - they're there primarily to 'serve', in other words advise and assist, the masters of ALL the vessels moving about in their area, many of whom are engaged in a potentially dangerous game of waterborne dodgems with some big, lumbering stuff ranging from a few hundred tons displacement up to a few thousand. Some of the answers to your questions are to be found in the mindset of the C&RT management in comparison with those in similar positions of authority at the likes of the PLA and Associated British Ports (ABP), who are the navigation and harbour authority for the Humber, the Trent up to Gainsborough, and the Ouse up to Goole. C&RT invariably demand that passage though the tidal locks they control is booked at least 24 hours in advance, . . . but to what end do they demand this - what purpose does it serve and why do they insist that boaters do this ? We know that the C&RT/BWML staff at Limehouse don't make use of this time to pass on any of the navigational guidance and advice that the PLA have provided them with to ensure that the skippers and crews on the pleasure craft they'll be sending out onto the tideway next day know what to expect, and what is expected of them. Truth to tell C&RT just enjoy being officious by regimenting and ordering people about whenever an opportunity to do so arises, and that's probably why they lose all interest in pleasure craft that are escaping their clutches into another navigation/harbour authority's jurisdiction and don't bother to inform the London VTS about them. Above all, no harbour authority's VTS wants anyone cluttering up their already busy VHF working/listening channel by broadcasting information they don't want or need. Barring a mechanical breakdown or some sort of onboard accident, Magnetman and his small nippy motor cruiser are unlikely to be an impediment or a problem to any other river traffic, and as he's carrying VHF onboard he's able to contact the VTS, and all the other VHF equipped vessels in the vicinity, at any time if the need arises. On the other hand, a slow moving narrow canal boat without VHF and under the control of someone unfamiliar with the river and the standard practices and procedures that the regular commercial traffic will be following is highly likely to impede other, larger or faster vessels and to get into the sort of mess that Mr Stabby did on 10 August.
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