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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 17, 2018 18:39:25 GMT
I live in Southampton, which is obviously a major container terminal and I work right next to freghtliner. there is room for container freight. I see a few long trains leave and many many lorries. the last leg will all ways be by road but more should and could go by rail. am I right in saying 90% of movement is by road. unfortunately we did not build massive depots by the train tracks We built a few, most of which have now disappeared. The unfortunate thing is that containerisation was strongly resisted by the Unions, mainly the dockers'. There are still quite a few around. There are two (Daventry and Hams Hall) within 20 miles of me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:49:37 GMT
You're going to have to change the thread title!
I've been reading and enjoying Ann Cleve books recently, both the Shetland series and the Vera series.
Recommend both ... but this thread is very irritating as a consequence.
(I know it's off topic, but foxy does it all the time)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:53:03 GMT
Ok, someone had to do it...
‘alo Vera....
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Post by thebfg on Sept 17, 2018 19:03:42 GMT
We built a few, most of which have now disappeared. The unfortunate thing is that containerisation was strongly resisted by the Unions, mainly the dockers'. There are still quite a few around. There are two (Daventry and Hams Hall) within 20 miles of me. maritime and freighliner have a few. I was more thinking mass industrial estates that business could have goods shipped by train direct to them. without having to go by road.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:43:55 GMT
I’ve heard that there is so much demand for rail traffic ATM that my favourite Deltics have been hired...well one of them.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 17, 2018 19:52:38 GMT
There are still quite a few around. There are two (Daventry and Hams Hall) within 20 miles of me. maritime and freighliner have a few. I was more thinking mass industrial estates that business could have goods shipped by train direct to them. without having to go by road. Thew trouble is that the massive majority of loads I deliver are a handful of pallets as part of a consolidated delivery between two places that are nowhere near a railway line where the goods are required on the same day that they are dispatched, or at most the day after. Think about the trucks which turn up at the Co-op, with products from 100+ suppliers. How could that be replaced by rail?
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Post by thebfg on Sept 18, 2018 0:17:52 GMT
maritime and freighliner have a few. I was more thinking mass industrial estates that business could have goods shipped by train direct to them. without having to go by road. Thew trouble is that the massive majority of loads I deliver are a handful of pallets as part of a consolidated delivery between two places that are nowhere near a railway line where the goods are required on the same day that they are dispatched, or at most the day after. Think about the trucks which turn up at the Co-op, with products from 100+ suppliers. How could lthat be replaced by rail? I get that. totally. it's not the end user I was thinking about. that will all ways be local lorry deliveries. im thinking more the manufacture end. some car makers transport there new cars to the docks via 100s of lorries. but swva send theirs by train. theyvare really long trains too. if we had the foresight to build a car factory by a railway line they could all come by train. it's hypothetical anyway as we dident build anything like that. had we as a country really thought about it we could of had a better railway network reducing the loads on the road
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Post by JohnV on Sept 18, 2018 9:26:06 GMT
Thew trouble is that the massive majority of loads I deliver are a handful of pallets as part of a consolidated delivery between two places that are nowhere near a railway line where the goods are required on the same day that they are dispatched, or at most the day after. Think about the trucks which turn up at the Co-op, with products from 100+ suppliers. How could lthat be replaced by rail? had we as a country really thought about it we could of had a better railway network reducing the loads on the road had we as a country really thought about it we could have had a viable water transport system reducing the loads on the roads
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 18, 2018 10:47:57 GMT
The British Government has never had, and still doesn't have, the foresight to plan anything properly. That's why the UK is in the mess it is right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 12:40:37 GMT
William Pitt (the younger) after becoming Prime Minister in 1783 had the foresight to control the growing national debt, whilst at the same time expanding the Royal Navy by implementing a war ship building programme, which included HMS Victory. I think even you know sufficient history to understand where this foresight took us in 1805. I think ever since, politics has been entirely reactionary Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 12:44:29 GMT
had we as a country really thought about it we could of had a better railway network reducing the loads on the road had we as a country really thought about it we could have had a viable water transport system reducing the loads on the roads Agreed but we would not have the peaceful relaxing inland waterways then. I'd hate to live on a fully commercial waterway I think it would be very uncomfortable.
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Post by bills on Sept 18, 2018 13:15:02 GMT
William Pitt (the younger) after becoming Prime Minister in 1783 had the foresight to control the growing national debt, whilst at the same time expanding the Royal Navy by implementing a war ship building programme, which included HMS Victory. I think even you know sufficient history to understand where this foresight took us in 1805. I think ever since, politics has been entirely reactionary Rog Pitt the younger was born in 1759. HMS Victory was laid down in the same year.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 18, 2018 13:53:19 GMT
I like HMS Victory, I've been on board a few times. I like the fact it is still the flagship of the first sea Lord and is still in the navel fleet and is the oldest navel ship still in commission.
it's a time machine and it's hard to imagine live aboard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:10:36 GMT
I've come to an agreement with the woman that we will not visit military museum establishments with our children. They know about war and shit but I dislike the way things like HMS Belfast etc are used to glamorise war which is in reality an unbelievably nasty side of human behaviour.
I'm not a pacifist and I agree with nuclear deterrent etc and decent aircraft And kill kill kill if under threat but some of the museum shit I don't like. Its best left behind in my opinion.
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Post by patty on Sept 18, 2018 16:43:10 GMT
I like HMS Victory, I've been on board a few times. I like the fact it is still the flagship of the first sea Lord and is still in the navel fleet and is the oldest navel ship still in commission. it's a time machine and it's hard to imagine live aboard. Is that the one at Portsmouth that folks go round? I had a dinner there during that celebration of Nelsons whatever....I got very drunk and instead of moving to socialise as was expected...I stopped put and err ...probably let the side down...no matter
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