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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:23:01 GMT
It seems to me that people chipping away at the edge of the law is liable to eventually lead to the law being tightened up. Like they did with squatting in residential buildings. There is plenty of freedom but some people to insist on trying their hardest to get those freedoms taken away just to save a few quid. And its not a lot of money a few hundred quid a year. It seems to me your thinking on these issues is a little muddled. Who is chipping away at the law? The freedoms as you put it are getting taken away, but in a dishonest and under hand way. If cart want to change any of the legislation they should go back to parliment and do it legally. Trying to do it the way they are at the moment isn't legal. I can see mm being one of those muppets who sits at a roundabout dithering over who has right of way, causing complete chaos, and in a ropey Saab of all things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:28:27 GMT
It seems to me your thinking on these issues is a little muddled. Who is chipping away at the law? The freedoms as you put it are getting taken away, but in a dishonest and under hand way. If cart want to change any of the legislation they should go back to parliment and do it legally. Trying to do it the way they are at the moment isn't legal. I can see mm being one of those muppets who sits at a roundabout dithering over who has right of way, causing complete chaos, and in a ropey Saab of all things. I've met mm, he is more likely to shoot the motherfuckers that get in his way than dither about causing chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:29:46 GMT
It seems to me your thinking on these issues is a little muddled. Who is chipping away at the law? The freedoms as you put it are getting taken away, but in a dishonest and under hand way. If cart want to change any of the legislation they should go back to parliment and do it legally. Trying to do it the way they are at the moment isn't legal. I can see mm being one of those muppets who sits at a roundabout dithering over who has right of way, causing complete chaos, and in a ropey Saab of all things. I'm actually completely the opposite its amazing how easy it is to misjudge people you don't know. Come along in my car sometime and find out what a ditherer I am (not ) Lovely !
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 24, 2019 12:21:34 GMT
It seems to me your thinking on these issues is a little muddled. Who is chipping away at the law? The freedoms as you put it are getting taken away, but in a dishonest and under hand way. If cart want to change any of the legislation they should go back to parliment and do it legally. Trying to do it the way they are at the moment isn't legal. The trick is not to give the powers that be the excuse to impose new rules and laws. . . . . . . . . . The same flawed thinking has been applied down the centuries during the rise of many a tyrannical regime and evil dictator. Appeasement never brings about the hoped for outcome, . . . will the human race never learn ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 12:30:46 GMT
The trick is not to give the powers that be the excuse to impose new rules and laws. . . . . . . . . . The same flawed thinking has been applied down the centuries during the rise of many a tyrannical regime and evil dictator. Appeasement never brings about the hoped for outcome, . . . will the human race never learn ? Not flawed thinking, more like balanced thinking...I think. Flawed thinking is taking one biased view of situations and exaggerating that view using catastrophic analogies. Something I’m sure those who run tyrannical regimes have done.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 24, 2019 12:44:09 GMT
The same flawed thinking has been applied down the centuries during the rise of many a tyrannical regime and evil dictator. Appeasement never brings about the hoped for outcome, . . . will the human race never learn ? Not flawed thinking, more like balanced thinking...I think. Flawed thinking is taking one biased view of situations and exaggerating that view using catastrophic analogies. Something I’m sure those who run tyrannical regimes have done. Well, . . that's pretty much what all the flawed thinkers thought while the next rising tyrant was learning how easy it is to crap all over a fawningly compliant population !
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Post by kris on Feb 24, 2019 17:49:26 GMT
It seems to me your thinking on these issues is a little muddled. Who is chipping away at the law? The freedoms as you put it are getting taken away, but in a dishonest and under hand way. If cart want to change any of the legislation they should go back to parliment and do it legally. Trying to do it the way they are at the moment isn't legal. There are piss takers at both ends of the scale though (and in the middle). The ones with lots of money and power often get away with it and can cause more damage to society. The trick is not to give the powers that be the excuse to impose new rules and laws. Don’t forget that many boaters agree with CRT’s stance even if we don’t. We don’t want to give them the excuse to moan at CRT either (bearing in mind some of them also take the piss and expect special privalages). It is impossible to keep everyone happy. Although I don’t always see eye to eye with CRT, I have to admit they have a difficult balancing act, Oh yes those dreaded piss takers again, it's all their fault. The powers that be as you call them are taking away your rights and freedoms as we speak and all your advising is don't rock the boat as you will make it worse. Please sir can I have a life, for fuck sake grow a spine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 18:28:49 GMT
There are piss takers at both ends of the scale though (and in the middle). The ones with lots of money and power often get away with it and can cause more damage to society. The trick is not to give the powers that be the excuse to impose new rules and laws. Don’t forget that many boaters agree with CRT’s stance even if we don’t. We don’t want to give them the excuse to moan at CRT either (bearing in mind some of them also take the piss and expect special privalages). It is impossible to keep everyone happy. Although I don’t always see eye to eye with CRT, I have to admit they have a difficult balancing act, Oh yes those dreaded piss takers again, it's all their fault. The powers that be as you call them are taking away your rights and freedoms as we speak and all your advising is don't rock the boat as you will make it worse. Please sir can I have a life, for fuck sake grow a spine. Funnily enough that’s how I feel. That’s why outside this forum I try to make a difference.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 27, 2019 12:54:24 GMT
Yesterday, C&RT-LaGS made a formal Application to the Nottingham Court for the 13 March 2019 listing to be adjourned.
This is the 'written evidence' of the necessity to adjourn they have submitted to the Court on the N244 Application Notice :
"This claim is dealt with 'in house' by the Claimant's Legal & Governance Services Team. The Claimant's representative, Lucy Barry, Solicitor-Advocate who has conduct of the case and the knowledge to represent the Claimant at the final hearing, is unable to attend court on this date due to pre-booked holiday abroad prior to the listing. No-one else within the Legal & Governance Services team deals with this area of work, other than a paralegal who does not have the requisite rights of audience or experience."
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Post by erivers on Feb 27, 2019 13:16:05 GMT
Yesterday, C&RT-LaGS made a formal Application to the Nottingham Court for the 13 March 2019 listing to be adjourned. This is the 'written evidence' of the necessity to adjourn they have submitted to the Court on the N244 Application Notice : "This claim is dealt with 'in house' by the Claimant's Legal & Governance Services Team. The Claimant's representative, Lucy Barry, Solicitor-Advocate who has conduct of the case and the knowledge to represent the Claimant at the final hearing, is unable to attend court on this date due to pre-booked holiday abroad prior to the listing. No-one else within the Legal & Governance Services team deals with this area of work, other than a paralegal who does not have the requisite rights of audience or experience." Post by erivers on Feb 23, 2019 at 11:02pm
Tony, I am sure you will have picked up on it even though you make no mention here, but Ms Barry’s email of 21 Feb displays an even more glaring example of sloppiness and iincompetence. She is asking you you return your signed Consent Order for a hearing on 13th March no later than 25th March - “to be in good time for the hearing”. Perhaps she needs some compassionate leave for stress!. Sensible girl, Lucy, for taking my advice!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 19:31:22 GMT
Not flawed thinking, more like balanced thinking...I think. Flawed thinking is taking one biased view of situations and exaggerating that view using catastrophic analogies. Something I’m sure those who run tyrannical regimes have done. Well, . . that's pretty much what all the flawed thinkers thought while the next rising tyrant was learning how easy it is to crap all over a fawningly compliant population ! A warning from history perhaps? First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Post by ched on Feb 27, 2019 19:56:41 GMT
I don't plan on being quiet - I'll be telling everyone I see on the towpath to unfriend the 'charity' known as CRT...
So annoyed with them right now - actually choosing to use this 'section 8 sledgehammer' when trying to hammer home a 'thumbtack of a spurious claim'.
I sincerely hope they miss when swinging and end up injuring themselves - Give 'em hell Tony, give em' hell!
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 27, 2019 19:58:07 GMT
Well, . . that's pretty much what all the flawed thinkers thought while the next rising tyrant was learning how easy it is to crap all over a fawningly compliant population ! A warning from history perhaps? First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. I doubt that the world will ever learn this lesson ! Just how long does the list of ill-intentioned megalomaniacs who won't be dissuaded from their ambitions by appeasers have to get ?
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 27, 2019 20:04:05 GMT
Well, . . that's pretty much what all the flawed thinkers thought while the next rising tyrant was learning how easy it is to crap all over a fawningly compliant population ! A warning from history perhaps? First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. Nope that’s not right. Firstly, it is the socialists and trade unionists who have got it in for the Jews (well those in the Labour Party anyway). And secondly once you have eliminated the socialists, trade unionists and Jews, there are still loads of people left, eg fascists, capitalists, conservatives, murderers, bigots, sandal wearing liberals etc. In fact nearly the entire population of Thunderboat.
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Post by ianali on Feb 27, 2019 22:28:39 GMT
A warning from history perhaps? First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. Nope that’s not right. Firstly, it is the socialists and trade unionists who have got it in for the Jews (well those in the Labour Party anyway). And secondly once you have eliminated the socialists, trade unionists and Jews, there are still loads of people left, eg fascists, capitalists, conservatives, murderers, bigots, sandal wearing liberals etc. In fact nearly the entire population of Thunderboat. Not me though!
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