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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 9:23:57 GMT
Without heterosexuality, you wouldn't even be here, careful how far you push this. You might well believe same sex couples are normal, but in my mind that is just a statement intended to invite controversy. Myself, I don't see same sex marriage etc as normal, not because I'm a middle aged bloke who in your reckoning shouldn't be allowed an opinion, but because they cannot reproduce. Man+woman, reproduction. Anyway, you're not convincing me that a five year old needs to be taught about sex, let alone gay sex. I do believe same sex couples are normal. Well they have existed throughout history, so how can they not be normal? Albeit there are fewer such people than heterosexuals. But it is like saying “brown hair is normal, red hair is not normal” just because fewer people have red hair than brown hair. Would you deny to children that some people had red hair as a consequence? Since when has marriage been about reproducing? You can reproduce with marriage, and you can be married without reproduction. In your ideal world, would you deny infertile heterosexual couples the right to marry? In you last sentence you are sensationalising, or have allowed yourself to be sensationalised by the gutter press. These 5 year olds are not being taught about sex or gay sex. It is simply being explained to them that sometimes a man and a woman get together to form a relationship, and sometimes it can be a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Which hole you stick which bits into doesn’t enter into it. Your first sentence, regarding hair colour. Irrelevant. Second sentence. Straying from the subject being discussed. I've actually been made aware of this from a direct source.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 20, 2019 9:26:33 GMT
Without heterosexuality, you wouldn't even be here, careful how far you push this. You might well believe same sex couples are normal, but in my mind that is just a statement intended to invite controversy. Myself, I don't see same sex marriage etc as normal, not because I'm a middle aged bloke who in your reckoning shouldn't be allowed an opinion, but because they cannot reproduce. Man+woman, reproduction. Anyway, you're not convincing me that a five year old needs to be taught about sex, let alone gay sex. I do believe same sex couples are normal. Well they have existed throughout history, so how can they not be normal? I suppose the argument here would be that if homosexuality was normal, then it would by extension be normal for everybody to be homosexual and then the human race would completely die out in a hundred years' time, which runs contrary to the generally accepted principle of any species attempting to continue its existence and avoid extinction.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 20, 2019 9:28:53 GMT
The whole LGBT thing is getting a totally disproportionate amount of coverage/attention. Heterosexual relationships are by a huge proportion the most common in society but everyone is talking about the alternatives. Many TV shows feature LGBT relationships because it is fashionable to do so. What's wrong with identifying the most common model is forming a stable heterosexual relationship within which to give birth to, and raise a family. I know it's not a popular view but I feel a lot of problems in our society are partly down to the breakdown of traditional family values. I do believe a child should grow up in a stable, loving family environment - ideally with strong male and female role models. Wow plenty of cliches to give me something to talk about. Heterosexual relationships are in the majority. But that doesn’t mean that homosexual ones should not be talked about. One of the reasons for all the talking is to make up ground for the hundred of years when homosexual relationships were denied. Yes there is a bit of fashion in it but once reactionary bigoted old fogies have died out, that need will disappear. We can see from this thread that there are still a few to go. There is nothing wrong with identifying heterosexual relationships as the most common model. Just that it is not the only model. i agree that a child should grow up in a stable loving family environment but that the gender of the parents doesn’t matter. A lot of the problems in our society are probably down to the breakdown of families. Most of those families are heterosexual. Most single parents are heterosexual. So you point has nothing to do with the genders of the parents. Do you actulally believe the stuff you wrote, or are you just trolling?
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 20, 2019 9:29:24 GMT
Anyway, do we really want to pander to Muslims whose minds are still residing in the 6th century and who as part of their ideology, hate and want to kill anyone slightly different from them? If they don’t like the British values taught in UK schools I suggest they go live somewhere else where their bigoted ideas are more acceptable. Herein lies the paradox. Are Muslims homophobic, or are the LGBT community racist? When two minority groups have completely opposite positions on something, which minority group should have its views respected and which should be ignored? Both?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 9:31:09 GMT
The whole LGBT thing is getting a totally disproportionate amount of coverage/attention. Heterosexual relationships are by a huge proportion the most common in society but everyone is talking about the alternatives. Many TV shows feature LGBT relationships because it is fashionable to do so. What's wrong with identifying the most common model is forming a stable heterosexual relationship within which to give birth to, and raise a family. I know it's not a popular view but I feel a lot of problems in our society are partly down to the breakdown of traditional family values. I do believe a child should grow up in a stable, loving family environment - ideally with strong male and female role models. Wow plenty of cliches to give me something to talk about. Heterosexual relationships are in the majority. But that doesn’t mean that homosexual ones should be talked about. One of the reasons for all the talking is to make up ground for the hundred of years when homosexual relationships were denied. Yes there is a bit of fashion in it but once reactionary bigoted old fogies have died out, that need will disappear. We can see from this thread that there are still a few to go. There is nothing wrong with identifying heterosexual relationships as the most common model. Just that it is not the only model. i agree that a child should grow up in a stable loving family environment but that the gender of the parents doesn’t matter. A lot of the problems in our society are probably down to the breakdown of families. Most of those families are heterosexual. Most single parents are heterosexual. So you point has nothing to do with the genders of the parents. Do you actulally believe the stuff you wrote, or are you just trolling? I agree with him. To respond with calling him a troll says more about you than his views.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 20, 2019 9:31:23 GMT
I do believe same sex couples are normal. Well they have existed throughout history, so how can they not be normal? I suppose the argument here would be that if homosexuality was normal, then it would by extension be normal for everybody to be homosexual and then the human race would completely die out in a hundred years' time, which runs contrary to the generally accepted principle of any species attempting to continue its existence and avoid extinction. In the real world, there are lots of normal things. Such as the hair colour I mentioned. There is a big difference between “normal” and “the majority case”. It is normal to have a wide range of the same attribute, and wrong to say that anything not in the majority is not normal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 9:32:28 GMT
The whole LGBT thing is getting a totally disproportionate amount of coverage/attention. Heterosexual relationships are by a huge proportion the most common in society but everyone is talking about the alternatives. Many TV shows feature LGBT relationships because it is fashionable to do so. What's wrong with identifying the most common model is forming a stable heterosexual relationship within which to give birth to, and raise a family. I know it's not a popular view but I feel a lot of problems in our society are partly down to the breakdown of traditional family values. I do believe a child should grow up in a stable, loving family environment - ideally with strong male and female role models. Wow plenty of cliches to give me something to talk about. Heterosexual relationships are in the majority. But that doesn’t mean that homosexual ones should be talked about. One of the reasons for all the talking is to make up ground for the hundred of years when homosexual relationships were denied. Yes there is a bit of fashion in it but once reactionary bigoted old fogies have died out, that need will disappear. We can see from this thread that there are still a few to go. There is nothing wrong with identifying heterosexual relationships as the most common model. Just that it is not the only model. i agree that a child should grow up in a stable loving family environment but that the gender of the parents doesn’t matter. A lot of the problems in our society are probably down to the breakdown of families. Most of those families are heterosexual. Most single parents are heterosexual. So you point has nothing to do with the genders of the parents. Do you actulally believe the stuff you wrote, or are you just trolling? Freudian slip in the third sentence?
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 20, 2019 9:33:28 GMT
Wow plenty of cliches to give me something to talk about. Heterosexual relationships are in the majority. But that doesn’t mean that homosexual ones should be talked about. One of the reasons for all the talking is to make up ground for the hundred of years when homosexual relationships were denied. Yes there is a bit of fashion in it but once reactionary bigoted old fogies have died out, that need will disappear. We can see from this thread that there are still a few to go. There is nothing wrong with identifying heterosexual relationships as the most common model. Just that it is not the only model. i agree that a child should grow up in a stable loving family environment but that the gender of the parents doesn’t matter. A lot of the problems in our society are probably down to the breakdown of families. Most of those families are heterosexual. Most single parents are heterosexual. So you point has nothing to do with the genders of the parents. Do you actulally believe the stuff you wrote, or are you just trolling? I agree with him. To respond with calling him a troll says more about you than his views. In your case, you are just a fairly ignorant bigot. I am quite accustomed to that. In his case I am less sure. The silly stereotypical misconceptions and non-sequiturs are the sort of thing one reads in the gutter press so he is either fairly dim and easily led, or winding me up.
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Post by dyertribe on Mar 20, 2019 9:33:34 GMT
Whilst I am heterosexual and married my child is not the product of sex, heterosexual or otherwise. I had IVF!
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 20, 2019 9:33:56 GMT
Wow plenty of cliches to give me something to talk about. Heterosexual relationships are in the majority. But that doesn’t mean that homosexual ones should be talked about. One of the reasons for all the talking is to make up ground for the hundred of years when homosexual relationships were denied. Yes there is a bit of fashion in it but once reactionary bigoted old fogies have died out, that need will disappear. We can see from this thread that there are still a few to go. There is nothing wrong with identifying heterosexual relationships as the most common model. Just that it is not the only model. i agree that a child should grow up in a stable loving family environment but that the gender of the parents doesn’t matter. A lot of the problems in our society are probably down to the breakdown of families. Most of those families are heterosexual. Most single parents are heterosexual. So you point has nothing to do with the genders of the parents. Do you actulally believe the stuff you wrote, or are you just trolling? Freudian slip in the third sentence? Oops!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 9:40:17 GMT
Whilst I am heterosexual and married my child is not the product of sex, heterosexual or otherwise. I had IVF! Sorry you felt left out?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 9:44:02 GMT
I agree with him. To respond with calling him a troll says more about you than his views. In your case, you are just a fairly ignorant bigot. I am quite accustomed to that. In his case I am less sure. The silly stereotypical misconceptions and non-sequiturs are the sort of thing one reads in the gutter press so he is either fairly dim and easily led, or winding me up. So your only real response is to throw insults, having failed to come up with any reasonable discussion on the subject matter.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 20, 2019 9:45:08 GMT
In your case, you are just a fairly ignorant bigot. I am quite accustomed to that. In his case I am less sure. The silly stereotypical misconceptions and non-sequiturs are the sort of thing one reads in the gutter press so he is either fairly dim and easily led, or winding me up. So your only real response is to throw insults, having failed to come up with any reasonable discussion on the subject matter. Correct. I said absolutely nothing else. <zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 20, 2019 10:21:49 GMT
Let's see some feminazis tell Muslim women cast off their burkas and burn their bras in Tesco's. Hypocrites the lot of 'em.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Mar 20, 2019 11:03:47 GMT
Without heterosexuality, you wouldn't even be here, careful how far you push this. You might well believe same sex couples are normal, but in my mind that is just a statement intended to invite controversy. Myself, I don't see same sex marriage etc as normal, not because I'm a middle aged bloke who in your reckoning shouldn't be allowed an opinion, but because they cannot reproduce. Man+woman, reproduction. Anyway, you're not convincing me that a five year old needs to be taught about sex, let alone gay sex. I do believe same sex couples are normal. Well they have existed throughout history, so how can they not be normal? Albeit there are fewer such people than heterosexuals. But it is like saying “brown hair is normal, red hair is not normal” just because fewer people have red hair than brown hair. Would you deny to children that some people had red hair as a consequence? Since when has marriage been about reproducing? You can reproduce with marriage, and you can be married without reproduction. In your ideal world, would you deny infertile heterosexual couples the right to marry? In you last sentence you are sensationalising, or have allowed yourself to be sensationalised by the gutter press. These 5 year olds are not being taught about sex or gay sex. It is simply being explained to them that sometimes a man and a woman get together to form a relationship, and sometimes it can be a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Which hole you stick which bits into doesn’t enter into it. So obvious that you're gay Nick! If not, you'd realise that to heterosexual women, the vast majority of them, which hole you stick it in most certainly does enter into it
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