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Post by NigelMoore on Jul 31, 2019 14:26:23 GMT
CRT cannot disqualify anyone from their waterways. Like I said, no other licensing authority behaves like this. CaRT cannot, not legally, but it is worth remembering that the Middle Level Bill sought exactly such powers, disqualifying anyone who had once been the subject of enforcement and removal from their waterways from re-licensing their boat. I could not persuade their Lordships that such was the effect of the relevant section of the Bill, but thankfully the Commissioners themselves saw the light, and following later discussion with me graciously volunteered an essential amendment of their own to mitigate the effect of the noxious clause. The relevant section of my petition - " 43. I object to 11(5)(b), which allows the Commissioners to refuse registration of a vessel that has previously had its registration revoked. This provides no incentive whatsoever for boaters to attempt belated compliance; it amounts to a permanent ban which is an entirely inappropriate and draconian reaction. If a boat owner has seen the error of his ways, and has brought the boat into compliance, there can be no legitimate reason to refuse any fresh application for registration." CaRT, as BW before them, use County Court injunctions to achieve this end, even though strictly speaking, the (modern) wording of such injunctions cannot properly be used to that effect, even supposing such injunctions were valid in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:09:01 GMT
The wider problem here is that CRT, being legally unable to stop this boat being licensed, will go to their masters with the perfect example of why without new laws London and other waterways will turn into a floating shanty town. Very similar situations previously have ended with laws preventing stopping on highways, made more than 3 people in one place a potential riot and of course put an end to mostly respectful squatting otherwise unoccupied housing. It's always someone needlessly pushing the envelope messing it up for everyone else. In this case CRT don't need to manufacture the situation, there will always be some selfish arse ready to do it for them while simultaneously masquerading as a freedom fighter, probably to impress the girls. It's a shame that NBTA get themselves in cases where there will be little public sympathy, if they were serious about protecting vulnerable boaters and the future of CCing they'd sacrifice the piss takers and concentrate on the PR positive cases. Just my opinion. Jenlyn likes this yet I made the same point and he called me stupid. What a laugh.
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Post by kris on Jul 31, 2019 15:12:44 GMT
In what way do you imagine that an Operators Licence issued by the Traffic Commissioners bears any resemblance to or compares in any way with a Pleasure Boat Licence issued by the C&RT ? Both are issued by licensing authorities. So are TV liscences
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:17:37 GMT
The wider problem here is that CRT, being legally unable to stop this boat being licensed, will go to their masters with the perfect example of why without new laws London and other waterways will turn into a floating shanty town. Very similar situations previously have ended with laws preventing stopping on highways, made more than 3 people in one place a potential riot and of course put an end to mostly respectful squatting otherwise unoccupied housing. It's always someone needlessly pushing the envelope messing it up for everyone else. In this case CRT don't need to manufacture the situation, there will always be some selfish arse ready to do it for them while simultaneously masquerading as a freedom fighter, probably to impress the girls. It's a shame that NBTA get themselves in cases where there will be little public sympathy, if they were serious about protecting vulnerable boaters and the future of CCing they'd sacrifice the piss takers and concentrate on the PR positive cases. Just my opinion. Jenlyn likes this yet I made the same point and he called me stupid. What a laugh. And you comparing your post to the quality of lollys shows just how stupid you are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:24:55 GMT
Yes but identical point being made or are you too stupid to understand that ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:29:22 GMT
I ha e repeatedly made the comparison with squatting and always received abuse for it. Someone else makes exactly the same point = no abuse.
Never mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 15:32:32 GMT
Yes but identical point being made or are you too stupid to understand that ? I'm not getting intoxicated by your silly crap. Lollys post was astute. Yours was simply stupid.
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 31, 2019 16:41:25 GMT
Same point though? I think we're both saying that to predict the future it's wise to look beyond the microcosm that is canal boating at how things always go in this country of ours.
It's my opinion that to look no further than the current set of laws governing the use of canals as if they were cast in stone by god himself is naively blinkered. Push hard enough and yes things will change, but they will not be changed to make life either cheaper or easier for those on the edge, they will be changed to remove all doubt.
The only practical ways for the ccing situation to be straightened out in any new legislation would either clarify the existing situation leaving the canals to carry on piling up with barely wandering housing or banning it altogether. I wonder which way that will go? As those with home moorings are already being poked along the canals as if they were ccing it's not hard to see which way CRT would like it to go - home moorings for all and if you venture away from it, keep going. Why? Because they don't want people using a ghost mooring to get round the lack of ccing licenses. Anyone who cc's in a small area, whether that's currently legal or not, is another nail in the coffin for ccing. It's not a question of right or wrong under current legislation, it's about providing "the authorities" with enough ammunition for a crack down. I wish it were otherwise and England was all roses and fair play but it's not is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 18:58:56 GMT
Do you really believe that with the state of current politics ANY parliamentary time will be devoted any time soon to legislation relating to canals ?
No , me neither.
I suspect C&RT and future 'authorities' will pretty much have a free hand, subject to judicial review.
We shall see.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 31, 2019 19:21:20 GMT
Until such time as something like this happens to you, you just cannot understand. I've seen and attended some of these removals, and frankly, CRT'S representatives are fuckin disgusting. Even the cops attending have been disgusted. But an explanation of how his possessions came to be water damaged would be helpful. I presume that the craft was kept on hard standing while in Cheshire so is the claim that it was damaged while being lifted out? Additionally, since it was well known that this enforcement action was about to be taken, would it not have made sense for him to have removed his work tools and other possessions beforehand? Quoted as worth repeating. I would like to support the NBTA but they need to get their act together, and tell the truth and not half-truths. Does anybody know what Andrzei does / did? Half-price plumber?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 31, 2019 19:31:35 GMT
But an explanation of how his possessions came to be water damaged would be helpful. I presume that the craft was kept on hard standing while in Cheshire so is the claim that it was damaged while being lifted out? Additionally, since it was well known that this enforcement action was about to be taken, would it not have made sense for him to have removed his work tools and other possessions beforehand? Quoted as worth repeating. I would like to support the NBTA but they need to get their act together, and tell the truth and not half-truths. Does anybody know what Andrzei does / did? Half-price plumber? I'm willing to stand corrected here but I seem to recall he's a gas fitter.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 31, 2019 19:41:45 GMT
I thought foreigners weren't interested in canals/ boats?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 31, 2019 19:45:11 GMT
I thought foreigners weren't interested in canals/ boats? Lots of people in London who live on canals on boats aren't interested in canals or boats.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 31, 2019 19:50:57 GMT
I thought foreigners weren't interested in canals/ boats? Lots of people in London who live on canals on boats aren't interested in canals or boats. Lots of people in London are foreigners, I'm told. I say I'm told because I've not had the misfortune to go close to the shithole for more than a decade. So lots of people In London are foreigners, and lots of people on canals on boats aren't interested in canals or boats. Is there a connection?
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