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Post by deadly on Sept 1, 2019 12:13:50 GMT
project fear was also 99% bullshit. both sides lied in their teeth ....... anyone who wholeheartedly believes what a politician says is soft in the head. Face it, in or out is going to make very little difference to ordinary people .... life will go on just the same. It's the big multinationals who will feel the pinch more than anyone else and yes there might be an economic downturn ..... but there probably would be one anyway, there are signs of it all over the EU at the moment (just go and investigate falling living standards in Germany for a starter) Britain's economy was growing not because of the EU ..... but in spite of it The battle bus was believed by quitlings, staunch British remainers, many more of whom have degrees, saw through it and loudly said so. I heard Boris repeatedly backing it on the news. (of course staunch remainers saw that his mouth was open and so doubted it). Lies like this led to the tiny majority to leave.
Lies just like that also led to every single general election win within living memory, in all of those the same argument could be placed that "the people didn't know what they were voting for" right back to the day that the "people" first got a vote. Perhaps we should cancel it all and just give up on having politicians altogether.
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Post by Gone on Sept 1, 2019 13:25:53 GMT
project fear was also 99% bullshit. both sides lied in their teeth ....... anyone who wholeheartedly believes what a politician says is soft in the head. Face it, in or out is going to make very little difference to ordinary people .... life will go on just the same. It's the big multinationals who will feel the pinch more than anyone else and yes there might be an economic downturn ..... but there probably would be one anyway, there are signs of it all over the EU at the moment (just go and investigate falling living standards in Germany for a starter) Britain's economy was growing not because of the EU ..... but in spite of it The battle bus was believed by quitlings, staunch British remainers, many more of whom have degrees, saw through it and loudly said so. I heard Boris repeatedly backing it on the news. (of course staunch remainers saw that his mouth was open and so doubted it). Lies like this led to the tiny majority to leave. Can I conclude from this comment that those without degrees are gullible and easily fooled? In which case we should either strictly control information that those without degrees are allowed to see (presumably controlled by remain team) or they should not be allowed to vote?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 1, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
The battle bus was believed by quitlings, staunch British remainers, many more of whom have degrees, saw through it and loudly said so. I heard Boris repeatedly backing it on the news. (of course staunch remainers saw that his mouth was open and so doubted it). Lies like this led to the tiny majority to leave. Can I conclude from this comment that those without degrees are gullible and easily fooled? In which case we should either strictly control information that those without degrees are allowed to see (presumably controlled by remain team) or they should not be allowed to vote? Another observation you sometimes hear from remainers is that younger people tended to vote remain whereas old codgers tended to vote leave. Given that they bother to make these points it's fair to assume that, in their minds, they consider the educated to be more worthy than those less educated, and the young more worthy than the elderly. So, perhaps not only should thickos be denied the vote, maybe all the old codgers should be euthanased.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 1, 2019 15:17:06 GMT
The battle bus was believed by Brexiteers, More remainers have degrees than brexiteers. Lies like this led to the brexit victory. while the numbers who believed the first fact is debatable, that some will have done isn't. Certainly Boris repeatedly claimed it was true many times, as did other leading quitlings. The second fact isn't debatable, it's just a fact, plain and simple, widely publicised. It seems to be a habit these days to label any facts which don't fit your world view as "fake news". Some would claim 1 + 1 = 3 if they thought it supported their case, but it's just wrong. No, I'm just asking if you can back that up. How does anyone know if someone voted either way and what their education is? What are these widely publicised facts and what are they based on? knowing remainers, Probably not a lot. How does anyone know what my misses voted for and what her education is? Sounds like sour grapes from the remain side to me. I do enjoy reading your posts, I must say. If it's from brexiters, it must be false and fake news but from the other side it can't possibly be untrue, not my view.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 1, 2019 15:39:48 GMT
I don't believe anyone thinks that leaving the EU was EVER going to be a painless transition. I believe they merely recognised that the short term pain would prove worthwhile in the long term. And the absolute truth is that NO ONE KNOWS what will happen ... just speculates for good or bad. Rog Much of this I agree with.
However, when I came to vote I did put my faith in the Politicians that some sort of sensible deal would be worked out - in hindsight I think I may have been hoodwinked...
Even on the way to the polling station I wasn't sure if I would change my mind about voting leave (I didn't) - but given a new vote I'd certainly be more circumspect in my trust about politicians being able to work out a sensible deal.
To be fair, I don't know if no deal is good or bad for us and the country. However I would feel a No deal is a popular option. The option was in or out not if we would like to leave with some sort of deal so we are still tied to the EU in some way or another. Jim will know the answers because he told so by the remainers.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 1, 2019 16:05:04 GMT
I was never asked which way I voted or what educational qualifications I possess and I have never met anyone who has been questioned. So how is it a fact Jim ? It seems to me that clowns are fairly gullible. What you mean is, it is a statement you have read and are happy to accept as fact. I believe brexiteers think for themselves, with or without degrees ... and I was a remainer. It seems logical that people who are educated to degree level were more likely to vote Remain, but this is simply because they are younger, and younger people are more likely to have a degree, useless as it may be. A counter-argument might be that people who do not have degrees are more likely to be older, more life-experienced, wiser and less impressionable. I voted Leave because of the impact eu membership has had on my living standards as my wages are inexorably and inevitably pushed downwards towards parity with eastern European wage levels, not because of anything written on a bus. However, Jim's clownwittery is largely paid for by eu funding and as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it".
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 1, 2019 16:07:20 GMT
Much of this I agree with.
However, when I came to vote I did put my faith in the Politicians that some sort of sensible deal would be worked out - in hindsight I think I may have been hoodwinked...
Even on the way to the polling station I wasn't sure if I would change my mind about voting leave (I didn't) - but given a new vote I'd certainly be more circumspect in my trust about politicians being able to work out a sensible deal.
To be fair, I don't know if no deal is good or bad for us and the country. The fact is that pubs in the UK are full of fatties and if the UK needs some more money then get these overweight todgers down the coal mines and hoeing the sugar beet. There's plenty of surplus labour, even before the UK was swamped with cheaper Eastern European labour (all thanks to their countries joining the EU); money doesn't grow on trees, so if more is required, as also a better standard of living, then someone has got to do some work. OK, the coal mines don't need to be re-opened, they can get on bicycles and pedal-power generators to produce electricity. At the same time they'll get some free slimming in, and won't need to pay for gym membership. I think most 'Brexiteers' would have thought that things would continue pretty much as before, except that they wouldn't be yoked by the unelected mafia that calls itself the EU. Nothing wrong with cordial relations with other European countries - and if the EU won't let them play nicely with the UK, then they too can tell the EU to 'do one'. The issue here, why they won't or can't, is because Germany has offered them loans which they feel obliged to pay back. Trapped forever by their own greed.
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Post by Jim on Sept 1, 2019 17:35:12 GMT
I was never asked which way I voted or what educational qualifications I possess and I have never met anyone who has been questioned. So how is it a fact Jim ? It seems to me that clowns are fairly gullible. What you mean is, it is a statement you have read and are happy to accept as fact. I believe brexiteers think for themselves, with or without degrees ... and I was a remainer. It seems logical that people who are educated to degree level were more likely to vote Remain, but this is simply because they are younger, and younger people are more likely to have a degree, useless as it may be. A counter-argument might be that people who do not have degrees are more likely to be older, more life-experienced, wiser and less impressionable. I voted Leave because of the impact eu membership has had on my living standards as my wages are inexorably and inevitably pushed downwards towards parity with eastern European wage levels, not because of anything written on a bus. However, Jim's clownwittery is largely paid for by eu funding and as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it". Wrong. Stick to sitting on your arse, something you are qualified for. Neither I nor Skylight Circus Arts get any money from the EU. Skylight did in the mid 90s. Should we have refused it and let it be spent over the channel, or use it for the benefit of unemployed people here.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 1, 2019 17:56:43 GMT
It seems logical that people who are educated to degree level were more likely to vote Remain, but this is simply because they are younger, and younger people are more likely to have a degree, useless as it may be. A counter-argument might be that people who do not have degrees are more likely to be older, more life-experienced, wiser and less impressionable. I voted Leave because of the impact eu membership has had on my living standards as my wages are inexorably and inevitably pushed downwards towards parity with eastern European wage levels, not because of anything written on a bus. However, Jim's clownwittery is largely paid for by eu funding and as Upton Sinclair said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it". Wrong. Stick to sitting on your arse, something you are qualified for. Neither I nor Skylight Circus Arts get any money from the EU. Skylight did in the mid 90s. Should we have refused it and let it be spent over the channel, or use it for the benefit of unemployed people here. I'm guessing it's fair to say that Skylight Circus Arts is not wholly funded by customers prepared to pay to use the service they provide, as happens in the road transport sector? In other words, it's a parasitic organisation run by third-party funding simply to provide faux-employment to the otherwise unemployable?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 18:04:14 GMT
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Post by Jim on Sept 2, 2019 6:14:43 GMT
Wrong. Stick to sitting on your arse, something you are qualified for. Neither I nor Skylight Circus Arts get any money from the EU. Skylight did in the mid 90s. Should we have refused it and let it be spent over the channel, or use it for the benefit of unemployed people here. I'm guessing it's fair to say that Skylight Circus Arts is not wholly funded by customers prepared to pay to use the service they provide, as happens in the road transport sector? In other words, it's a parasitic organisation run by third-party funding simply to provide faux-employment to the otherwise unemployable? Typical Quitling fake reasoning. Some of the Road transport industry is subsidised, here as in Finland, where they also employ migrants with their subsidy, according to an expert. You should get Shania to proof read your posts for veracity, she has more brain cells.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 6:55:30 GMT
Looking at the news I’m wondering whether we are now seeing a battle between those driven by the old boys network and politicians who are trying to support the wishes of the majority of the public...and democracy as a whole. If so, could be interesting.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 2, 2019 7:42:34 GMT
I'm guessing it's fair to say that Skylight Circus Arts is not wholly funded by customers prepared to pay to use the service they provide, as happens in the road transport sector? In other words, it's a parasitic organisation run by third-party funding simply to provide faux-employment to the otherwise unemployable? Typical Quitling fake reasoning. Some of the Road transport industry is subsidised, here as in Finland, where they also employ migrants with their subsidy, according to an expert. I was offered a job and a place to live and asked how soon I could come to work here, Jim, in 1990, and the Finnish Government gave me a residence permit and work permit. This was before Finland joined the EU. I didn't turn up illegally in a dinghy. One Brit to Finland, and one Finn to England is a fair trade, if it's due to marriage or work. When 35,000 Ali Babas who worship a 13th Century cult in which they wish to kill anyone they consider an infidel pour over the border from SWEDEN (not 'Syria'), and then just hang around even after deportation orders have been made on many of them (because they have been identified as ex- throat-cutting soldiers of ISIS), that's a different type of 'migration' altogether. Most of these 'refugees' are still not employed and are a drain on Finland's resources, whereas I have been contributing to Finnish society for the past 29 years.
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Post by Jim on Sept 2, 2019 8:11:20 GMT
Typical Quitling fake reasoning. Some of the Road transport industry is subsidised, here as in Finland, where they also employ migrants with their subsidy, according to an expert. I was offered a job and a place to live and asked how soon I come to work here, Jim, in 1990, and the Finnish Government gave me a residence permit and work permit. This was before Finland joined the EU. I didn't turn up illegally in a dinghy. One Brit to Finland, and one Finn to England is a fair trade, if it's due to marriage or work. When 35,000 Ali Babas who worship a 13th Century cult in which they wish to kill anyone they consider an infidel pour over the border from SWEDEN (not 'Syria'), and then just hang around even after deportation orders have been made on many of them (because they have been identified as ex- throat-cutting soldiers of ISIS), that's a different type of 'migration' altogether. Most of these 'refugees' are still not employed and are a drain on Finland's resources, whereas I have been contributing to Finnish society for the past 29 years. What I said was true though. I'm also glad that as a long term migrant (unless you have joined the society fully and sought citizenship since you last posted) you haven't had to suffer the indignities long term migrants of the windrush generation have had to suffer here, fuelled in part by intolerant and racist posts such as you encourage .
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 2, 2019 9:13:50 GMT
Nope - I haven't followed the Windrush debacle but what I have seen/read seems unfair. Yes, I am tolerant, but not towards those who wish to steal from me, or cheat me, or want to murder me. Much as I suspect you wouldn't like your tenants refusing to pay their rent.
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