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Post by bodger on Sept 30, 2019 10:26:21 GMT
I think personal beliefs, rather like sexual preferences, are very intimate private matters ... they should concern no one else. There seems little to be gained in offering them up for public scutiny, ridicule and derision. Rog I agree 100% ..... as long as those who have such beliefs do not ram their personal religious dogma down my throat or wear suicide vests.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 10:31:02 GMT
A former tutor once made the statement that all theatre has a basis in religion. Similarly it is a personal opinion that all religion has its basis in fear. The knowledge of eventual death is a consequence of self-awareness, and the fear of death is a basic instinct. This is why every culture to have blossomed here on Earth has (or had) a mythos of an afterlife. We are just a bunch of cavemen, cowering in the dark, and afraid of the thunder.
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Post by jubjub on Sept 30, 2019 12:44:31 GMT
I think personal beliefs, rather like sexual preferences, are very intimate private matters ... they should concern no one else. There seems little to be gained in offering them up for public scutiny, ridicule and derision. Rog Well I don't agree entirely I think through sharing ideas, beliefs etc we have the opportunity to learn and decide options as long as those involved wish to share I don't believe anyone has the right to force their opinion on anyone. Unfortunately history shows that we have done so many times over the centuries especially with religion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:11:17 GMT
As has been said, we live on in the memories of those left behind and those we have influenced whilst alive. But that is just the nature of human memory, it doesn’t mean there is an afterlife where we have consciousness, And yes of course the matter from which we are made gets recycled, but not with any element of carried-over consciousness. “I” am not really my body, rather my mind and consciousness. Not even my brain - that is merely a vessel for my consciousness. But just like a computer programme, when the power goes off the data in RAM is lost. It never had physical substance in the first place. Yes, it seems unlikely that if our consciousness carries on somewhere that we will take any memory with us (although some people claim to retain memory from a previous life). Those is my life who have ended up with dementia seem to lose most of their memory towards the end, yet they still seem to be able to sense whether the people around them are caring or not. It’s an interesting question, would we prefer to take our memories with us? One theory is that we are all connected to one consciousness, so all of us may be connected to Nick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:13:52 GMT
I think personal beliefs, rather like sexual preferences, are very intimate private matters ... they should concern no one else. There seems little to be gained in offering them up for public scutiny, ridicule and derision. Rog I agree Rog but I’d like to believe we are all grown up here and are interested in others views.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:16:39 GMT
It does seem quite amazing that a conscious being would accept the role of owning a Hudson narrow boat in the physical world.
I am unwilling to subscribe to the belief system which suggests this is real.
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Post by Jim on Sept 30, 2019 13:20:09 GMT
To bring it back on topic, I've been busy elsewhere, I'm just going to wait and see, hopefully a long wait.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 13:21:02 GMT
We are just a bunch of cavemen, cowering in the dark, and afraid of the thunder. Don’t drag us down to your level, I can time travel, you can’t. Twug!
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Post by kris on Sept 30, 2019 13:39:23 GMT
A former tutor once made the statement that all theatre has a basis in religion. As theatre started in the temple, he was right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 14:33:23 GMT
Isaac Asimov was well-known for an atheist stance. He penned a tale called 'Nightfall' which is regarded by some as the most important science-fiction story in the history of the genre so far. So if you haven't already read it, here's some light reading. www.astro.sunysb.edu/fwalter/AST389/TEXTS/Nightfall.htm
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Post by Jim on Sept 30, 2019 15:10:33 GMT
A former tutor once made the statement that all theatre has a basis in religion. Similarly it is a personal opinion that all religion has its basis in fear. The knowledge of eventual death is a consequence of self-awareness, and the fear of death is a basic instinct. This is why every culture to have blossomed here on Earth has (or had) a mythos of an afterlife. We are just a bunch of cavemen, cowering in the dark, and afraid of the thunder. I think he was 180 degrees out on that one. Religions have a basis in theatre, with magic and illusion thrown in. Some bright spark thought up a theatrical celebration, passed the collecting plate round and became rich, with power and influence over the less bright. "mine is the one true faith, the way to the afterlife and eternal glory is through me. ". That's not to deny there might not be an afterlife though. Just that there aren't any gatekeepers. Other than self appointed ones.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 30, 2019 22:45:18 GMT
I think ... sexual preferences, are very intimate private matters ... they should concern no one else. Rog Hmmm well if sexual preferences are intimate private matters that should concern no-one else, then one is doomed to a life of “hello mr. wrist” (or “hello miss buzzy thing” for the gals). Or did you mean that it’s OK to flaunt your red blooded heterosexuality when “picking up a gal” but if you are a Deviant Raving Poofter then you should keep it to yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:56:01 GMT
I think ... sexual preferences, are very intimate private matters ... they should concern no one else. Rog Hmmm well if sexual preferences are intimate private matters that should concern no-one else, then one is doomed to a life of “hello mr. wrist” (or “hello miss buzzy thing” for the gals). Or did you mean that it’s OK to flaunt your red blooded heterosexuality when “picking up a gal” but if you are a Deviant Raving Poofter then you should keep it to yourself? Mr Sensitive........ I think its clear Rog mean 'unless you want it to'.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 1, 2019 6:44:54 GMT
Hmmm well if sexual preferences are intimate private matters that should concern no-one else, then one is doomed to a life of “hello mr. wrist” (or “hello miss buzzy thing” for the gals). Or did you mean that it’s OK to flaunt your red blooded heterosexuality when “picking up a gal” but if you are a Deviant Raving Poofter then you should keep it to yourself? Mr Sensitive........ I think its clear Rog mean 'unless you want it to'. I think it’s clear Rog meant to say what he said, which is not what your “interpretation” is since that would make no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 7:00:11 GMT
A former tutor once made the statement that all theatre has a basis in religion. Similarly it is a personal opinion that all religion has its basis in fear. The knowledge of eventual death is a consequence of self-awareness, and the fear of death is a basic instinct. This is why every culture to have blossomed here on Earth has (or had) a mythos of an afterlife. We are just a bunch of cavemen, cowering in the dark, and afraid of the thunder. I think he was 180 degrees out on that one. Religions have a basis in theatre, with magic and illusion thrown in. Some bright spark thought up a theatrical celebration, passed the collecting plate round and became rich, with power and influence over the less bright. "mine is the one true faith, the way to the afterlife and eternal glory is through me. ". That's not to deny there might not be an afterlife though. Just that there aren't any gatekeepers. Other than self appointed ones. It is of course difficult to know just exactly what went on in that cave. But I am informed it is a popular academic opinion.
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