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Post by duncan on Nov 2, 2019 9:34:16 GMT
Best and worst places to charge your car.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 9:47:22 GMT
I went to an expensive pub in a place called Ditching in Sussex last January before a funeral. Got to the pub car park and of three spaces available two had "Tesla" chargers on them. The other space was not very good but I opted not to park my petrol Saab in the Tesla bay, squeezing into a corner instead.
We had lunch came out and I noticed the two Tesla bays were occupied by a diesel non hybrid Audi and a diesel non hybrid BMW.
So what do you do if you come in your TE$LA and expect a mooring with electric. Do you send the misses into the pub to read out the number plates of the pisstakers and stamp her feet? Pub PA system ?
It's all a bit uncool. I can imagine there must be a bit of a psychology going with the Tesla vehicles. "I have spent a lot of money, I am special and I am saving the planet". Surely this gives you special rights.
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Post by NigelMoore on Nov 2, 2019 10:31:28 GMT
The ‘greener’ way to cross the Nullarbor – Victory of pedal power over ICE’s (applicable to electrics too so far, as the accompanying article demonstrates) – Not to say that I am not all in favour of the concept.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 2, 2019 10:39:30 GMT
So what do you do if you come in your TE$LA and expect a mooring with electric. Do you send the misses into the pub to read out the number plates of the pisstakers and stamp her feet? Pub PA system ? You open two cans of sardines and push the contents into the air grilles below the windscreen. And snigger.
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Post by duncan on Nov 13, 2019 20:10:16 GMT
What damage to the environment will be caused by creating the batteries for electric cars?
The batteries require cobalt. To just meet the UK's targets by 2050 will require nearly twice the world's current output of cobalt. At the moment, most of the world's cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo where for years there've been allegations of child labour, environmental damage and widespread corruption. Cobalt is plentiful on the ocean floors, but as mining it will kill everything in its path, and the silt produced could travel for miles, there are grave concerns as to the damage to the seas that will occur. Every solution seems to create more problems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 20:16:33 GMT
The only real solution is for people to stop traveling around at high speeds. Just a quick glance at the flightradar website is interesting. Image captured a couple of minutes ago. Obviously all this high speed transport is a relatively recent thing and the only reason it has happened is for profits. People think it's all about freedom to travel. NO IT ISN'T. It's all gone mad. Electric cars are interesting but at the end of the day rapid wheel driven transport is fundamentally negative for humans. It will never result in positive outcomes regardless if what it is that is turning the wheels. The only outcome wheels can have is a bad future. And wings obviously. They should ban wings.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 13, 2019 20:55:38 GMT
The only real solution is for people to stop traveling around at high speeds. Just a quick glance at the flightradar website is interesting. Image captured a couple of minutes ago. Hey! That's my trick! Find your own.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 13, 2019 20:57:49 GMT
most of the world's cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo where for years there've been allegations of child labour, environmental damage and widespread corruption. Sounds just like the UK! Apart from the Democracy bit. That's gone.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 13, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
People think it's all about freedom to travel. NO IT ISN'T. Well, it is for us! That reminds me, must look up tickets for Easter - out Friday, back Sunday.
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Post by naughtyfox on Nov 13, 2019 21:15:40 GMT
"The Swedish activist, who became world famous for founding the 'school strikes for the climate,' is ending a hectic 11-week North American sojourn that made headlines at every turn as she criss-crossed the United States and Canada. During her trip, she excoriated world leaders at the United Nations, met former US president Barack Obama, received the keys to the city of Montreal and road tripped across the continent in a Tesla electric car lent to her by actor and ex-governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger." It's very easy to be 'green' when you have rich friends. When she was 'road-tripping' in the electric car, did she have a thought for the children mining cobalt in Congo? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7681423/Greta-Thunberg-sets-sail-Europe-hitching-ride-Spain-catamaran.html"I don't understand, are the billions who fly each year expected to each get a catamaran? If that's not possible then what is this other than a gesture? Shouldn't we focus on real solutions like scientists with experience to get a renewable and practical energy source? It's the only way - so what is the point of 1 person taking an expensive mode of transport that isn't possible for 99% of people?"
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Post by JohnV on Nov 14, 2019 7:10:41 GMT
What damage to the environment will be caused by creating the batteries for electric cars?
The batteries require cobalt. To just meet the UK's targets by 2050 will require nearly twice the world's current output of cobalt. At the moment, most of the world's cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo where for years there've been allegations of child labour, environmental damage and widespread corruption. Cobalt is plentiful on the ocean floors, but as mining it will kill everything in its path, and the silt produced could travel for miles, there are grave concerns as to the damage to the seas that will occur. Every solution seems to create more problems.
Musk has already stated that he wants Tesla batteries to be made nickel and cobalt free. I believe the pressure is more economic than anything else, because of their shortages (let alone cobalt's reputation as the "blood diamond" metal). The LiFePO4 batteries that Peterboat and I often post about do not use either cobalt or nickel in their construction (they are of course a bit less "power dense" than Lithium Ion). However research has produced an iron polymer to use in Lithium Ion batteries that not only avoids these metals but is 300% cheaper than cobalt and 150% cheaper than nickel. That fact is probably the only reason that manufacturers will clean up their act (plus of course the ability to shout about how good their "green" product is during their adverts)
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