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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2019 9:42:40 GMT
There aren’t enough police. And even with enough personnel, they do not have sufficient resources, while always conscious of the CPS applying the “public interest” test to dealing with crime, based purely on financial considerations. Complaints in such circumstances will get nowhere; you cannot even ask for a Victims Right of Review if they have not interviewed any suspects under caution. Your only hope of satisfaction is where you can identify the culprits yourself; then, if the police still wash their hands of the matter for said “public interest” reasons, you can prosecute yourself. I ran into this situation recently when a neighbouring boater took an angle grinder to my steel fencing. Initially I was told that without cctv record of the incident, the police could/would do nothing, even though they could at least have made enquiries of neighbours to see if anyone had noticed the incident. Even when I produced an emailed admission from the perpetrator, they just made a phone call to the person and accepted their denial of any damage. At least that paved the way for a private prosecution, and that boater now has a criminal record (and had to pay for the damage, on top of fines etc). The beauty of pursuing the criminal route is that even if the criminal has no resources of their own, you can be paid out of the public purse.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 11, 2019 11:13:07 GMT
Sorry to hear the news, at least the boat is safe.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 11, 2019 11:13:29 GMT
Very sorry to hear of this incident. It may just be "stuff" but it is also a violation of your personal space, which is nasty. I remember how I felt when my garage was broken into. Not much was taken but it was the whole idea of strangers being in my space. And that was just the garage, not my home!
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Post by airedaleman on Oct 11, 2019 11:15:44 GMT
Nothing new in the disinterest of the police. We had our narrow boat broken into along with others at Hinckley boat clubs moorings some years ago. Damage and cassette radio ripped out plus small stuff. No interest from police until one of the other owners said he had lost a high powered air rifle! Some local young farmers had a pick up stolen outside the pub, police gave them a crime number then one of the said think my shotgun was in the cab. Police helicopter on scene not long after when they got the pikey with the truck he remembered the gun was at home. Over the years various boat break ins, at Braunston oil pressure gauge taken off roof only noticed when black oil ran down cabin side, broken into and only lump hammer and tin of red oxide taken, both obviously by boaters.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 11, 2019 11:33:08 GMT
Nothing new in the disinterest of the police. We had our narrow boat broken into along with others at Hinckley boat clubs moorings some years ago. Damage and cassette radio ripped out plus small stuff. No interest from police until one of the other owners said he had lost a high powered air rifle! Some local young farmers had a pick up stolen outside the pub, police gave them a crime number then one of the said think my shotgun was in the cab. Police helicopter on scene not long after when they got the pikey with the truck he remembered the gun was at home. Over the years various boat break ins, at Braunston oil pressure gauge taken off roof only noticed when black oil ran down cabin side, broken into and only lump hammer and tin of red oxide taken, both obviously by boaters. I think it can’t be surprising that some boaters are criminals. Boaters represent a subset of the national population and as such it is inevitable that some are thieving criminals. Boaters are not some sort of superior and virtuous breed!
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 11, 2019 11:40:25 GMT
So what's wrong with moaning at the Police if they can't be arsed; jubjub describes them as "absolutely useless, said impossible to find culprits". How is this so difficult? I bet everyone in that area knows who the scummy bastards are. Can't be hard to track them down. There aren’t enough police. There's enough Police to go gay-dancing and twonking with the transexual nutters at the Notting Hill Carnival, aren't there?!
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 11, 2019 11:45:13 GMT
1. How about making a complaint about the Police? We watch Endeavour and Midsomer Murders and know they can find the guilty persons if they really want to. 2. No evidence it was 'pikeys'/'travellers'. If boaters, then probably those without a licence, and they wouldn't be around if CRT pulled their filthy boats off the canals and crushed them (with the owners inside). 3. Go and steal dogless's ropes and windlasses and batteries and kettle... then he will "have a tale to tell over a pint" - I mean, it's only stuff, isn't it? The thieving scum are responsible for jubjub 's pain, not the Police. My boat was broken into and precious stuff stolen in 2009 ... nothing recovered ... no one caught. So you're saying the Police aren't responsible for not doing their job which is catching criminals and burglars? Perhaps the Police should study Midsomer Murders to see how the professionals get the job done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 11:47:02 GMT
Just one more reason why the ER lot are acting like a bunch of tossers, tying up valuable police resources while they dick about sticking them selves to each other and the ground, where actually they should be left. I just wish the airline had had the balls to taxi along the run way with that idiot riding on the aircraft roof yesterday.
I bet the supporters of this bunch of losers are the first to complain when they discover the cops haven't got somebody to turn up when their Toyota Prius gets stolen for the battery parts....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 11:48:21 GMT
The thieving scum are responsible for jubjub 's pain, not the Police. My boat was broken into and precious stuff stolen in 2009 ... nothing recovered ... no one caught. So you're saying the Police aren't responsible for not doing their job which is catching criminals and burglars? Perhaps the Police should study Midsomer Murders to see how the professionals get the job done.If you actually believe that program represents how the police can operate in the real world then you are a bigger nut than I thought.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 11, 2019 11:49:44 GMT
Why are the Police letting the Extinction Rebellion Twats waste their time?
They should be throwing the layabouts off the bridges into the Thames.
Then there would be more 'resources' for investigating who broke into The Jubbler's boat.
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 11, 2019 11:54:59 GMT
So you're saying the Police aren't responsible for not doing their job which is catching criminals and burglars? Perhaps the Police should study Midsomer Murders to see how the professionals get the job done.If you actually believe that program represents how the police can operate in the real world then you are a bigger nut than I thought. You are obviously not good at studying, watching and observing. There are many good tips in detective series. Columbo is another good 'un - remember Dick van Dyke's fingerprints on the INSIDE of his rubber gloves? No stone unturned.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 11, 2019 11:55:57 GMT
I was broken into in Sheffield 2 years ago, got nearly everything back, police were great caught the guy and he is doing 4 years! fingers crossed that they catch your thief and he gets similar, I feel for you mate its horrible
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 11, 2019 12:08:41 GMT
An aggravating factor for the police is the need to turn things over to the CPS, who as I mentioned apply a costs benefit analysis as to whether they proceed or not. No matter how good the case might be that the police have worked on, the CPS can decline to prosecute on the grounds of the cost involved, and all that work is for naught.
I remember years ago when dealing with another case of criminal damage to our boatyard property (only proceeded with because assault was involved, else, as the police explained, damage under £500 would not lead to arrest by reason of the “public interest” element), the police officer expressed their frustration with what they called the “Criminal Protection Society”!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 12:18:23 GMT
If you actually believe that program represents how the police can operate in the real world then you are a bigger nut than I thought. You are obviously not good at studying, watching and observing. There are many good tips in detective series. Columbo is another good 'un - remember Dick van Dyke's fingerprints on the INSIDE of his rubber gloves? No stone unturned. Well for one thing any attempted prosecution in Misdsomer would fail due to a lamentable lack of adherence to correct police procedure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 12:21:00 GMT
An aggravating factor for the police is the need to turn things over to the CPS, who as I mentioned apply a costs benefit analysis as to whether they proceed or not. No matter how good the case might be that the police have worked on, the CPS can decline to prosecute on the grounds of the cost involved, and all that work is for naught. I remember years ago when dealing with another case of criminal damage to our boatyard property (only proceeded with because assault was involved, else, as the police explained, damage under £500 would not lead to arrest by reason of the “public interest” element), the police officer expressed their frustration with what they called the “Criminal Protection Society”! Same goes for shop lifting nowadays. Somebody is only likely to be prosecuted if they are a multiple repeat offender or if it's possible to link it to organised criminal activity. Our local ASDA have to rely on keeping an eye out on their CCTV for known shoplifters and refuse entry or remove them from the store.
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