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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 11:44:54 GMT
Oh and 'shag tags', brilliant idea.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 16, 2020 14:09:50 GMT
Not always... Found menopause to be a bit of a non event really....no hot flushes .... No beard for me either,but a female I worked with began to get rather bristly ! Let's all have dreams tonight about Bearded Ladies!
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 16, 2020 14:16:00 GMT
I like flageoletion. This is where you hit yourself with a handful of freshly picked beans. Very good for the sole. Foxy does that in the sauna in Finland. Well, yes I have, about four times. Birch branches/twigs with lots of leaves tied together. For the 'genuine sauna experience'. But that's silly. I just have some vodka before sauna, and, of course, beer to drink when I come out for 10 minutes to read the Daily Mail, before I go back in again. Two words for the 'thingy' - vasta or vihta ...and you can buy these in supermarkets from the freezer section, I kid you not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 14:20:25 GMT
I find it mildly interesting that on forums where gender can be hidden, assumptions are made either by the choice of avatar or even with only the generic forum cat. Kris "knew" for definite what my gender is!
Is that due to posting style, language, or just that something gives it away eventually via the content.
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Post by patty on Sept 16, 2020 14:40:24 GMT
I find it mildly interesting that on forums where gender can be hidden, assumptions are made either by the choice of avatar or even with only the generic forum cat. Kris "knew" for definite what my gender is! Is that due to posting style, language, or just that something gives it away eventually via the content. I think posting style can be a give away ref gender. Occasionally I've been a bit surprised to find out I've sussed it wrong, but not very often... Not really considered Avatars as indicative.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 16, 2020 14:42:57 GMT
"A woman's work is never done. Maybe that's why they get paid less?"
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 16, 2020 15:16:10 GMT
Science means knowledge, fact etc. When discussing these sorts of issues I prefer to form an argument based on science rather than on random thoughts that aren’t consistent with themselves. But each to their own, there is no bar on posting irrational inconsistent and meaningless stuff on here. Behaviours are unexpectedly interesting don't you think ? The gay man is adversarial, and competitive and has to not only argue, but attempt to belittle opposing views. The straight man is sanguine and accepting of opposing views. Nothing to do with gender ... just behaviours. Rog For “adversarial“ you just mean “fails to immediately agree with me.” For “belittle opposing views” I say “points out the fundamental logical flaws in the opponents argument”. Which surely is what debating is all about. Actually I think we should be clear about the difference between a view and an argument. A view can be anything you believe to be true, doesn’t have to be rational - eg it might be your view that god exists and the universe was created in 7 days etc. An argument (as in putting forward your case to justify your view) needs to be consistent within itself, otherwise it is useless and open to having the fundamental flaws in logic and thought process pointed out. Apart from anything else, if your argument isn’t consistent within itself, no clear thinking person is going to take any heed of it, so why bother?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 15:30:06 GMT
Behaviours are unexpectedly interesting don't you think ? The gay man is adversarial, and competitive and has to not only argue, but attempt to belittle opposing views. The straight man is sanguine and accepting of opposing views. Nothing to do with gender ... just behaviours. Rog For “adversarial“ you just mean “fails to immediately agree with me.” For “belittle opposing views” I say “points out the fundamental logical flaws in the opponents argument”. Which surely is what debating is all about. Actually I think we should be clear about the difference between a view and an argument. A view can be anything you believe to be true, doesn’t have to be rational - eg it might be your view that god exists and the universe was created in 7 days etc. An argument (as in putting forward your case to justify your view) needs to be consistent within itself, otherwise it is useless and open to having the fundamental flaws in logic and thought process pointed out. Apart from anything else, if your argument isn’t consistent within itself, no clear thinking person is going to take any heed of it, so why bother? It's all getting rather deep. Dogless surprised me somewhat, when he described me as being sanguine and accepting of opposing views
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 15:47:30 GMT
I find it mildly interesting that on forums where gender can be hidden, assumptions are made either by the choice of avatar or even with only the generic forum cat. Kris "knew" for definite what my gender is! Is that due to posting style, language, or just that something gives it away eventually via the content. This is a composition inspired by Ovid. Its great to realise even Peter Gabriel struggled with the range needed...the studio version is unsurprisingly tidier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:00:27 GMT
You described my posts as ' irrational, meaningless stuff' Telemachus ... that's well beyond merely pointing out flaws. I would evidence my adversarial comment by your 'own goal' dig ... and your 'previous' for attempting to dismiss and ridicule anyone who disagrees ... in that your posts are very like Tony Dunkley's ... "they disagree ... they must be attacking me" It's entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish any other view. Our opinions are formed and held ... we can accept the world doesn't HAVE to agree with us surely. Anyway I responded to Clinton Cool's posts and have expressed my view ... we all behave as we choose due to our history and background, whether male or female ... I wasn't involved in your sub-topic on science. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:14:59 GMT
It's entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish any other view. Rog No it isn't. What utter tosh.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 16, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
You described my posts as ' irrational, meaningless stuff' Telemachus ... that's well beyond merely pointing out flaws. I would evidence my adversarial comment by your 'own goal' dig ... and your 'previous' for attempting to dismiss and ridicule anyone who disagrees ... in that your posts are very like Tony Dunkley's ... "they disagree ... they must be attacking me" It's entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish any other view. Our opinions are formed and held ... we can accept the world doesn't HAVE to agree with us surely. Anyway I responded to Clinton Cool 's posts and have expressed my view ... we all behave as we choose due to our history and background, whether male or female ... I wasn't involved in your sub-topic on science. Rog No I didn't describe you posts as "irrational, meaningless stuff". You are making that bit up. I wonder why? There are only two explanations I can think of, one is that you are doing it deliberately to derail the argument and make yourself look a victim, the other is that you lack comprehension of the english language. I suspect the latter, but only you actually know.
My Own Goal dig was pointing out that you had just contradited yourself in your argument at a most fundamental level. But it does seem that you consider anyone who points out the lack of logic in your posts to be "adversarial" so I guess by your definition, I am.
It is entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish another's view. I champion that. Earlier I explained the difference between a view and an argument. If only you had gone to a proper school you might have grapsed the point, but it seems not. You are entitled to your view which, whether or not it is different from mine, I respect. What I do not respect is an attempt to justify your view by means of an argument that contradicts itself and is irrational. That can carry neither merit nor respect.
Opinions (which I think are basically the same as views) yes, as above.
You are right in that behaviour is a personal choice, but that choice can be heavily influenced by our previous experiences. After all, what else do we have to go on? The previous experiences of men vs women tends to be very significantly different as I outlined earlier, hence the difference is behaviour that we generally observe between the sexes (generally being, as before, the average behaviour of a large group, not on an individual level).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:19:57 GMT
ContradiCted.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 16, 2020 16:38:49 GMT
Our opinions are formed and held ... we can accept the world doesn't HAVE to agree with us surely. No it doesn't. But as a rule, if you don't want to get kicked off the bus and walk, it's best to agree with the driver.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:47:13 GMT
That's fine Telemachus ... you disagree with me ... and having looked out the window the world hasn't ended. What a relief. Rog
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