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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 23:23:09 GMT
More broadly, taking the piss out of yourself is just fine but taking the piss out of others, from a position of self-perceived superiority, not so much. Naturally, if you have a good friendship with someone it could vary from this. The context of this is humour, might be worth stating that. How about taking the piss out of others from an apparent self-perceived position of superiority in such a way that it is clearly taking the piss out of oneself. Is that allowed in your book of approved humour, or not? I don't write the rules of humour. I only commented as an observer, a third party. Sure, lots of people warm to people taking the piss out of themselves. It's what they see (or hear) that's the deciding factor though, rather than what the author thought they might see or hear, if the two things are different. I get it wrong, frequently.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 17, 2020 0:14:07 GMT
I see the proper school thing as a thing that is just thunderboat. No malice involved.
I went to a normal school, but it was decent. Really strict. Teachers would hide in the town centre after school and make you put your blazers back on.
Still managed to have a fag or two in our French teachers cupboard. With him making the cuppa.
With the behaviours, school and scouts made me the person I am today. Hard working, respectful and adventurous I can bend a rule or two aswell but nothing to serious.
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Post by quaysider on Sept 17, 2020 6:24:00 GMT
When I started to read this, I was going wade in earlier but got sidetracked with a 'covid clean'... anyway, coming back it's all gotten WAY to complicated for my little gay brain.
That said, re. the op. HAVING worked in an office for 13 years with 75 % women I saw, understood and agreed with the intended humor - it DID happen... time and time again. At that time I was the only gay in the village so to speak so just joined in and i dislike babies and the time wasted during working hours as a result time and time again...
Moving forward to the "gay traits" section - I really am a bag of of contradictions... being brought up in a working class area, with family as farmers, father as a mechanic etc. I enjoy "straight" pursuits such as stripping down an engine/repairing old cars/welding (badly) and generally tinkering with nuts and bolts. I'm also a pretty good gardener (when at home) raising each seasons plants from seeds. I DONT however have an artistic bone in my body... I CAN paint a fairground ride/house from top to bottom and even a boat with ease but not finesse. I am very hygienic personally but usually in scruffy clothes and look like I've been dragged through a hedge (albeit a clean one) backwards) .
I've also got a heart of gold (well it's similar to ginger) but also enough brute strength/athleticism to leap onto a random boat that is drifting helplessly with idiots on board that need rescuing (3 times last week) and do it with good grace and humour. Whilst identifying as gay, I can fall in love with anyone of any sex but that doesn't make me bi per say... it's all about 'people and connections' Many years ago I had a lovely fling with a confused lesbian and it was a very educational experience and she taught me a lot about what she liked - I couldn't keep it up forever and reverted .
As you were.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 7:04:54 GMT
We are all a confused mix and match, hodge podge, and rich tapestry of our choices, likes, dislikes, learned behaviour and genetics ... whatever gender. Even those that went to a proper school ... how much of Trina and Telemachus was shaped by attending a single sex school I wonder ? The same can be said of any of us ... how different would we be if a major part of our life experience was changed ? Going back to the o.p. I would have been (and have in fact been) over the moon to see the new Mums and babies visit ... and I'd be the one bringing the cakes on the flimsiest possible excuse ... I don't like gender stereotypes ... I prefer to see the person. Rog ETA I mention Trina and Nick because they mentioned they attended single sex schools which seems a strong influencer in formative years. It was not a criticism or attack
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Post by patty on Sept 17, 2020 7:52:27 GMT
I went to a posh girls' school in Chester as a scholarship 'gal'.I can be quite posh or as common as muck.I can fit in with most folk,enjoy meeting peeps & will chat with anyone & everyone(& enjoy).The school always said that everyone has something to say &/or share-so listen to everyone. I passed the 11 plus and went to an all girls High School..I wouldn't have said it were posh though the others who failed went to local comp. In my class one girl pregnant at 15..according to little sis who kept tabs on school (struggling to find a word as they were not friends or chums) classroom entities(?)..this girl had 5 kids by 21 all different dads. I'm only in contact with one from school who I do call a friend..she did ok, taught kids with learning difficulties....shes the sister of my ex and I met him through her. Now he thinks he's posh..Grammar school and university twice...he's now married to....ah...(I wouldn't class her as posh with her antics.....hmm..I'll think)
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 17, 2020 8:04:39 GMT
We are all a confused mix and match, hodge podge, and rich tapestry of our choices, likes, dislikes, learned behaviour and genetics ... whatever gender. Even those that went to a proper school ... how much of Trina and Telemachus was shaped by attending a single sex school I wonder ? The same can be said of any of us ... how different would we be if a major part of our life experience was changed ? Going back to the o.p. I would have been (and have in fact been) over the moon to see the new Mums and babies visit ... and I'd be the one bringing the cakes on the flimsiest possible excuse ... I don't like gender stereotypes ... I prefer to see the person. Rog ETA I mention Trina and Nick because they mentioned they attended single sex schools which seems a strong influencer in formative years. It was not a criticism or attack Nobody was saying that ALL women coo over babies, and ALL men are disinterested in them. And it would be wrong to assume that if you met an individual man, or woman, that they will display these respective traits. However, we'd have to walk around with our eyes and ears closed to not notice that's there's a TENDENCY for men and women to behave in the way I described. That these tendencies exist is part of life's rich tapestry, in my view. It would be a sad day indeed if it was 'wrong' to notice these things in life, and pretended that each and every human being is part of one brotherhood, each having exactly the same instincts, regardless of the culture that formed them, their gender or their sexual orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 8:12:57 GMT
Can't argue with that Clinton Cool ... but that wasn't the gist of the opening post ... my response to the o.p. was entirely because of the stereotypes Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 17, 2020 8:27:20 GMT
Oh OK I should have inserted 'some' before each occasion I typed the word 'man' or 'woman', so it would have been clearer that I don't think every single man, and every single woman, behaves in the way I described.
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 17, 2020 8:30:53 GMT
For the last 20 years or so all the women I've been attracted to turn out to be married...to other women. I know I'm not alone, I helped one gorgeous leggy blonde example to rebuild an engine. We'd have to visit machinists, spares places, hydraulic hose makers... I was just there for the fun of it, she'd talk engine turkey and before we left it was more likely than not the chap behind the counter would ask her to marry him. She used to say my ideal woman would be a lesbian in denial. I've given up now.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 17, 2020 8:44:11 GMT
For the last 20 years or so all the women I've been attracted to turn out to be married...to other women. I know I'm not alone, I helped one gorgeous leggy blonde example to rebuild an engine. We'd have to visit machinists, spares places, hydraulic hose makers... I was just there for the fun of it, she'd talk engine turkey and before we left it was more likely than not the chap behind the counter would ask her to marry him. She used to say my ideal woman would be a lesbian in denial. I've given up now. Have a word with Quaysider, he might be able to fix you up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 8:56:06 GMT
To be fair Clinton Cool I argued mostly against the male stereo-typing ... that was after patty and Trina had already protested the female. You didn't respond to our protests that you were simply 'playing' with gender behaviours ... so consequently the discussion gathered pace. You are right that it's an interesting discussion. In the early sixties when I was a lad, it was pink for a girl and blue for a boy ... boys had toy guns, girls had dolls and prams. By the late sixties and into the seventies, one of the most popular boys toys was a doll ... Action Man ... dress him in different outfits and scenarios ... all popular music heroes wore make-up ... behaviours relaxed and people began to feel free to express themselves outside stereo -types. I think this is progress and thankfully it continues. Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 17, 2020 11:08:06 GMT
To be fair Clinton Cool I argued mostly against the male stereo-typing ... that was after patty and Trina had already protested the female. You didn't respond to our protests that you were simply 'playing' with gender behaviours ... so consequently the discussion gathered pace. You are right that it's an interesting discussion. In the early sixties when I was a lad, it was pink for a girl and blue for a boy ... boys had toy guns, girls had dolls and prams. By the late sixties and into the seventies, one of the most popular boys toys was a doll ... Action Man ... dress him in different outfits and scenarios ... all popular music heroes wore make-up ... behaviours relaxed and people began to feel free to express themselves outside stereo -types. I think this is progress and thankfully it continues. Rog I don't have a problem with change. If it became the fashion for boys to wear pink and play with dolls, the girls blue and start collecting toy guns it's all fine with me. It's not good, it's not bad, I'm ambivalent towards it. It's not regression and it's not progression. What people choose to wear or do is all fine, as long as these things don't negatively interfere with the lives of others. Where I differ from you as that I don't see promoting or forcing this change as being something society should place high on its list of ambitions, and 'celebrate' any change that takes place. There's nothing wrong with male instincts, just as there's nothing wrong with female ones. For society to attempt to homogenise people into one group, each member being indistinguishable from the next is not progress in my book. Rather, it ought to allow people to be free with their instincts rather than trying to make them feel guilty that they are not homogenised. And celebrate difference, as I did when I took the piss out of both men and women, at the start of this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 11:15:52 GMT
To be fair Clinton Cool I argued mostly against the male stereo-typing ... that was after patty and Trina had already protested the female. You didn't respond to our protests that you were simply 'playing' with gender behaviours ... so consequently the discussion gathered pace. You are right that it's an interesting discussion. In the early sixties when I was a lad, it was pink for a girl and blue for a boy ... boys had toy guns, girls had dolls and prams. By the late sixties and into the seventies, one of the most popular boys toys was a doll ... Action Man ... dress him in different outfits and scenarios ... all popular music heroes wore make-up ... behaviours relaxed and people began to feel free to express themselves outside stereo -types. I think this is progress and thankfully it continues. Rog I don't have a problem with change. If it became the fashion for boys to wear pink and play with dolls, the girls blue and start collecting toy guns it's all fine with me. It's not good, it's not bad, I'm ambivalent towards it. It's not regression and it's not progression. What people choose to wear or do is all fine, as long as these things don't negatively interfere with the lives of others.
Where I differ from you as that I don't see promoting or forcing this change as being something society should place high on its list of ambitions, and 'celebrate' any change that takes place. There's nothing wrong with male instincts, just as there's nothing wrong with female ones. For society to attempt to homogenise people into one group, each member being indistinguishable from the next is not progress in my book. Rather, it ought to allow people to be free with their instincts rather than trying to make them feel guilty that they are not homogenised. And celebrate difference, as I did when I took the piss out of both men and women, at the start of this thread. I'd say some of the more historical attitudes did interfere with other peoples lives. Trump getting away with 'I grabbed her pussy' is one example. Differences are ok but not always.
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