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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:38:48 GMT
Our opinions are formed and held ... we can accept the world doesn't HAVE to agree with us surely. No it doesn't. But as a rule, if you don't want to get kicked off the bus and walk, it's best to agree with the driver. Using that analogy, its always easier "as a rule" to agree with those in control?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 16, 2020 18:00:20 GMT
No it doesn't. But as a rule, if you don't want to get kicked off the bus and walk, it's best to agree with the driver. Using that analogy, its always easier "as a rule" to agree with those in control? Muzzle up! Or get a £100 fine.... rising to a maximum of £3,200, says Boris and Friends.
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Post by lollygagger on Sept 16, 2020 18:11:08 GMT
No it doesn't. But as a rule, if you don't want to get kicked off the bus and walk, it's best to agree with the driver. Using that analogy, its always easier "as a rule" to agree with those in control? In the short term of course it is.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 19:10:33 GMT
You described my posts as ' irrational, meaningless stuff' Telemachus ... that's well beyond merely pointing out flaws. I would evidence my adversarial comment by your 'own goal' dig ... and your 'previous' for attempting to dismiss and ridicule anyone who disagrees ... in that your posts are very like Tony Dunkley's ... "they disagree ... they must be attacking me" It's entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish any other view. Our opinions are formed and held ... we can accept the world doesn't HAVE to agree with us surely. Anyway I responded to Clinton Cool 's posts and have expressed my view ... we all behave as we choose due to our history and background, whether male or female ... I wasn't involved in your sub-topic on science. Rog No I didn't describe you posts as "irrational, meaningless stuff". You are making that bit up. I wonder why? There are only two explanations I can think of, one is that you are doing it deliberately to derail the argument and make yourself look a victim, the other is that you lack comprehension of the english language. I suspect the latter, but only you actually know.
My Own Goal dig was pointing out that you had just contradited yourself in your argument at a most fundamental level. But it does seem that you consider anyone who points out the lack of logic in your posts to be "adversarial" so I guess by your definition, I am.
It is entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish another's view. I champion that. Earlier I explained the difference between a view and an argument. If only you had gone to a proper school you might have grapsed the point, but it seems not. You are entitled to your view which, whether or not it is different from mine, I respect. What I do not respect is an attempt to justify your view by means of an argument that contradicts itself and is irrational. That can carry neither merit nor respect.
Opinions (which I think are basically the same as views) yes, as above.
You are right in that behaviour is a personal choice, but that choice can be heavily influenced by our previous experiences. After all, what else do we have to go on? The previous experiences of men vs women tends to be very significantly different as I outlined earlier, hence the difference is behaviour that we generally observe between the sexes (generally being, as before, the average behaviour of a large group, not on an individual level).
I think it's rather harsh of you to keep referring to a 'proper school'. Not all of us had that option. Some of us chose to read a little more later in life, having gone to a non-proper school. I think that ought to enable the possibility of said person being able to converse on equal terms with someone who went to a proper school. Depending, of course, on them having the intelligence, mental ability, whatever you might want to call it, to do so. Might you agree, or is someone who didn't go to a proper school condemned for life? Anyway, shag tags, a great idea, but hardly any women would wish to engage when sex is demoted to such a shallow level. So, most unfortunately, they only exist in the land of the gays, who can choose to live in line with their instincts, without the moderating influence of half of them having completely different instincts.
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Post by Trina on Sept 16, 2020 19:21:57 GMT
I went to a posh girls' school in Chester as a scholarship 'gal'.I can be quite posh or as common as muck.I can fit in with most folk,enjoy meeting peeps & will chat with anyone & everyone(& enjoy).The school always said that everyone has something to say &/or share-so listen to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 19:32:25 GMT
r]Anyway, shag tags, a great idea, but hardly any women would wish to engage when sex is demoted to such a shallow level. So, most unfortunately, they only exist in the land of the gays, who can choose to live in line with their instincts, without the moderating influence of half of them having completely different instincts. Yes. My friend (I do have one) is a queer. I've known him for 29 years and always got on really well. He's an old goat now at 75... He used to say to me "I think I'm lucky to be gay". I didn't know what he meant but now I have been entangled with a woman and had children I realise he was on the money... Life could have been so much more straightforward and probably quite a bit more enjoyable if I had played for the other side but the thing is I just don't... Oh well win some lose some.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 16, 2020 19:41:15 GMT
No I didn't describe you posts as "irrational, meaningless stuff". You are making that bit up. I wonder why? There are only two explanations I can think of, one is that you are doing it deliberately to derail the argument and make yourself look a victim, the other is that you lack comprehension of the english language. I suspect the latter, but only you actually know.
My Own Goal dig was pointing out that you had just contradited yourself in your argument at a most fundamental level. But it does seem that you consider anyone who points out the lack of logic in your posts to be "adversarial" so I guess by your definition, I am.
It is entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish another's view. I champion that. Earlier I explained the difference between a view and an argument. If only you had gone to a proper school you might have grapsed the point, but it seems not. You are entitled to your view which, whether or not it is different from mine, I respect. What I do not respect is an attempt to justify your view by means of an argument that contradicts itself and is irrational. That can carry neither merit nor respect.
Opinions (which I think are basically the same as views) yes, as above.
You are right in that behaviour is a personal choice, but that choice can be heavily influenced by our previous experiences. After all, what else do we have to go on? The previous experiences of men vs women tends to be very significantly different as I outlined earlier, hence the difference is behaviour that we generally observe between the sexes (generally being, as before, the average behaviour of a large group, not on an individual level).
I think it's rather harsh of you to keep referring to a 'proper school'. Not all of us had that option. Some of us chose to read a little more later in life, having gone to a non-proper school. I think that ought to enable the possibility of said person being able to converse on equal terms with someone who went to a proper school. Depending, of course, on them having the intelligence, mental ability, whatever you might want to call it, to do so. Might you agree, or is someone who didn't go to a proper school condemned for life? If only you had gone to a proper school you would have been introduced to the concept of humour. It is in my signature after all!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 19:50:04 GMT
No I didn't describe you posts as "irrational, meaningless stuff". You are making that bit up. I wonder why? There are only two explanations I can think of, one is that you are doing it deliberately to derail the argument and make yourself look a victim, the other is that you lack comprehension of the english language. I suspect the latter, but only you actually know.
My Own Goal dig was pointing out that you had just contradited yourself in your argument at a most fundamental level. But it does seem that you consider anyone who points out the lack of logic in your posts to be "adversarial" so I guess by your definition, I am.
It is entirely possible to disagree without having to rubbish another's view. I champion that. Earlier I explained the difference between a view and an argument. If only you had gone to a proper school you might have grapsed the point, but it seems not. You are entitled to your view which, whether or not it is different from mine, I respect. What I do not respect is an attempt to justify your view by means of an argument that contradicts itself and is irrational. That can carry neither merit nor respect.
Opinions (which I think are basically the same as views) yes, as above.
You are right in that behaviour is a personal choice, but that choice can be heavily influenced by our previous experiences. After all, what else do we have to go on? The previous experiences of men vs women tends to be very significantly different as I outlined earlier, hence the difference is behaviour that we generally observe between the sexes (generally being, as before, the average behaviour of a large group, not on an individual level).
is someone who didn't go to a proper school condemned for life? Boris didn't go to a comprehensive in Croydon.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 22:21:09 GMT
I think it's rather harsh of you to keep referring to a 'proper school'. Not all of us had that option. Some of us chose to read a little more later in life, having gone to a non-proper school. I think that ought to enable the possibility of said person being able to converse on equal terms with someone who went to a proper school. Depending, of course, on them having the intelligence, mental ability, whatever you might want to call it, to do so. Might you agree, or is someone who didn't go to a proper school condemned for life? If only you had gone to a proper school you would have been introduced to the concept of humour. It is in my signature after all! Humour isn't always clearly discernible. Especially in the written word. It is to the author of it, of course. It might even amaze them that not everyone 'gets' their humour. It's not apparent to me though what's funny about repeatedly reminding someone that they went to an 'inferior' school. I'd 'get' someone who had a bit of a laugh by talking about how they themselves went to an 'inferior' school, self-deprecation is always funny, but not the other way round. Hey ho.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 22:43:22 GMT
I went to a private secondary school full of generic dickheads with generic dickhead parents. The generic dickhead headteacher couldn't get his head around me walking out one day and never going back. Spoiled my future as a generic dickhead zombie capitalist feeder wage slave but there we arrr. You do what you do. Had I stayed I would probably be on a hundred grand a year nice house and loads of stress. As it is I have no houses, some nackered boats and no wages*.
How the mighty have fallen.
*Other than the occasional top level SIS contract which, to be fair, does pay quite well. Couple of 17 hour jobs every six months these days.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 16, 2020 22:49:14 GMT
If only you had gone to a proper school you would have been introduced to the concept of humour. It is in my signature after all! Humour isn't always clearly discernible. Especially in the written word. It is to the author of it, of course. It might even amaze them that not everyone 'gets' their humour. It's not apparent to me though what's funny about repeatedly reminding someone that they went to an 'inferior' school. I'd 'get' someone who had a bit of a laugh by talking about how they themselves went to an 'inferior' school, self-deprecation is always funny, but not the other way round. Hey ho. So if I understand you correctly, saying you have gone to a bad school is ok. Saying you went to a good school is not ok. Interesting... Is this a bit like considering an asbo to be a badge of honour?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 22:54:10 GMT
An asbo is viewed as a positive in some circles I believe. A bit like being offered a place at Oxford university and deciding against it.
Different things make different people tick.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 22:59:45 GMT
Humour isn't always clearly discernible. Especially in the written word. It is to the author of it, of course. It might even amaze them that not everyone 'gets' their humour. It's not apparent to me though what's funny about repeatedly reminding someone that they went to an 'inferior' school. I'd 'get' someone who had a bit of a laugh by talking about how they themselves went to an 'inferior' school, self-deprecation is always funny, but not the other way round. Hey ho. So if I understand you correctly, saying you have gone to a bad school is ok. Saying you went to a good school is not ok. Interesting... Is this a bit like considering an asbo to be a badge of honour? More broadly, taking the piss out of yourself is just fine but taking the piss out of others, from a position of self-perceived superiority, not so much. Naturally, if you have a good friendship with someone it could vary from this. The context of this is humour, might be worth stating that.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 16, 2020 23:03:27 GMT
So if I understand you correctly, saying you have gone to a bad school is ok. Saying you went to a good school is not ok. Interesting... Is this a bit like considering an asbo to be a badge of honour? More broadly, taking the piss out of yourself is just fine but taking the piss out of others, from a position of self-perceived superiority, not so much. Naturally, if you have a good friendship with someone it could vary from this. The context of this is humour, might be worth stating that. How about taking the piss out of others from an apparent self-perceived position of superiority in such a way that it is clearly taking the piss out of oneself. Is that allowed in your book of approved humour, or not?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 16, 2020 23:16:35 GMT
I went to a private secondary school full of generic dickheads with generic dickhead parents. The generic dickhead headteacher couldn't get his head around me walking out one day and never going back. Spoiled my future as a generic dickhead zombie capitalist feeder wage slave but there we arrr. You do what you do. Had I stayed I would probably be on a hundred grand a year nice house and loads of stress. As it is I have no houses, some nackered boats and no wages*. How the mighty have fallen. *Other than the occasional top level SIS contract which, to be fair, does pay quite well. Couple of 17 hour jobs every six months these days. It's a strange one. I went down the 'corporate' path for 30 years after leaving school. Not to any great level but I had a decent salary and a fair amount of influence over various things. Lots of friends, always out partying, holidays, nice car etc. etc., a new girl was like shelling a pea. Now, 13 years on: No influence over anything, other than how I spend my time. Fewer friends. Far less money. As for the girls, it's now semi retirement. Lots of negatives. However... having control over how I spend my time overrides many of these negatives. There's no longer a need to spend a third of my life conforming with a company ethos. My soul is free now. There's no need to 'network' with people I have very little in common with in order to succeed in our nepotistic business environment. In the past I was like a machine, self programmed to do what was required, in order to 'get ahead'. Nowadays I feel more like a human. It feels pretty good to be human, on balance.
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