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Post by ianali on Jan 3, 2021 17:58:31 GMT
simply because smoking or drinking only effects the person indulging, if someone wishes to assist Darwinism in action then I too support their actions........
However, refusing vaccination doesn't just result in risk to the individual concerned but to many others. The only reason that diseases such as polio have virtually disappeared from this population is because of mass vaccinations. The same goes for smallpox etc etc etc ........ anyone who refuses vaccination weakens the defence of the future from such diseases.
That is the difference Rog
I don't see a difference to be honest ... smoking and drinking have implications for all society too. How will you know who's had it and who hasn't ... who you will mix with and who not. I'm happy to have the vacc asap ... but am equally happy to go back to normal asap, once the most vulnerable have been jabbed I'm more than happy to take my chances, relying on basic hygeine etc. My concern is for the most vulnerable ... the VAST majority of us even if we get covid are unlikely to know without a test. Rog I have a horrible feeling that we will be in lockdown for while yet. Like you, I’d be happy taking my chances, don’t think it will be allowed anytime soon though. We can but hope.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 3, 2021 18:07:51 GMT
I don't see a difference to be honest ... smoking and drinking have implications for all society too. How will you know who's had it and who hasn't ... who you will mix with and who not. I'm happy to have the vacc asap ... but am equally happy to go back to normal asap, once the most vulnerable have been jabbed I'm more than happy to take my chances, relying on basic hygeine etc. My concern is for the most vulnerable ... the VAST majority of us even if we get covid are unlikely to know without a test. Rog I have a horrible feeling that we will be in lockdown for while yet. Like you, I’d be happy taking my chances, don’t think it will be allowed anytime soon though. We can but hope. We've all become so afraid of dying that we've stopped living. So much so that it appears to be "news" that a 101 year old man has died. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9106365/Ex-miner-lived-road-101-years-dies-Covid.html
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 18:11:06 GMT
Is anyone actually particularly afraid of Covid19?
I wonder if a lot of people who would be otherwise unconcerned have been conditioned to be concerned by the modern communication of news stories.
Everything is available on the spot up to date and in all the gory details, including the adverts.
I reckon the internet is the real virus here but people can't see it.
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Post by ianali on Jan 3, 2021 18:17:42 GMT
Thing is, I don’t think in general that we have all become afraid of death. It’s just for some reason, that death by/with covid is seen as unacceptable. That’s why I believe it’ll be a while until we are released again. I’d hope that when fatalities fall to an acceptable number that we can resume our lives. I fear that number may well be lower than one I’d accept.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 3, 2021 18:26:40 GMT
I reckon the internet is the real virus here but people can't see it. I think you are bang on the money. More people died in 1985 than in 2020, even though the population was around 10 million less. Can anyone remember The Great Pandemic of 1985?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 19:31:17 GMT
I'm not afraid of death, its the dying bit that worries me.I still have things I want to do in life. So I will avoid catching the plague, by avoiding the carriers of the plague. If that means not going out until I have had the vaccine then so be it.
BTW, I view everyone as a potential carrier.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 3, 2021 19:33:38 GMT
I'm not afraid of death, its the dying bit that worries me.I still have things I want to do in life. So I will avoid catching the plague, by avoiding the carriers of the plague. If that means not going out until I have had the vaccine then so be it. BTW, I view everyone as a potential carrier. Apparently, it's not enough for you to have had the vaccine unless everybody else has had it too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 20:59:03 GMT
I'm not afraid of death, its the dying bit that worries me.I still have things I want to do in life. So I will avoid catching the plague, by avoiding the carriers of the plague. If that means not going out until I have had the vaccine then so be it. BTW, I view everyone as a potential carrier. Apparently, it's not enough for you to have had the vaccine unless everybody else has had it too. Thats fine I can wait.
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Post by JohnV on Jan 4, 2021 7:42:26 GMT
I'm not afraid of death, its the dying bit that worries me.I still have things I want to do in life. So I will avoid catching the plague, by avoiding the carriers of the plague. If that means not going out until I have had the vaccine then so be it. BTW, I view everyone as a potential carrier. Apparently, it's not enough for you to have had the vaccine unless everybody else has had it too. Hmmmm it does seem that you don't grasp the full reasons for trying to achieve herd immunity
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Post by patty on Jan 4, 2021 7:48:46 GMT
Hopefully to-day will see roll out and roll up of sleeves.. Perhaps by August we will begin to pick up the pieces from the Pandemic...
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 8:21:47 GMT
Hopefully to-day will see roll out and roll up of sleeves.. Perhaps by August we will begin to pick up the pieces from the Pandemic... I’m hoping for March/April to be boating and drinking in pubs again. By then it’s possible the vaccines and other factors will have reduced the strain on the NHS, and death rates down to a manageable level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 8:27:58 GMT
Hopefully to-day will see roll out and roll up of sleeves.. Perhaps by August we will begin to pick up the pieces from the Pandemic... I’m hoping for March/April to be boating and drinking in pubs again. By then it’s possible the vaccines and other factors will have reduced the strain on the NHS, and death rates down to a manageable level. I assume you mean March/April 2022 because the way it's going it's not going to happen by March/April 2021.
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 8:32:50 GMT
I’m hoping for March/April to be boating and drinking in pubs again. By then it’s possible the vaccines and other factors will have reduced the strain on the NHS, and death rates down to a manageable level. I assume you mean March/April 2022 because the way it's going it's not going to happen by March/April 2021. 2021. As I said, by then I think it’s possible that the new infections of vulnerable people will have reduced hospital admissions. Also the deaths will be at acceptable levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 8:37:52 GMT
Sounds like a plan to me ianali ... once the most vulnerable have been jabbed (over eighties, medically vulnerable and at risk by occupation) the world should open up and get back to work. Those who feel it appropriate can continue to isolate and leave the rest of us to crack on Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 8:43:26 GMT
I assume you mean March/April 2022 because the way it's going it's not going to happen by March/April 2021. 2021. As I said, by then I think it’s possible that the new infections of vulnerable people will have reduced hospital admissions. Also the deaths will be at acceptable levels. Just looking at the Oxford jab, role out this morning. So only 70% effective, yet 86% show no symptoms without any jab. Maybe I've missed a trick here, but it seems natural immunity is working pretty well on it's own. On hospital admissions, during the first wave before jabs and face masks, hospitals were not overloaded but again the media are telling us again they are. Nightingales empty or mothballed. Something isn't right here.
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