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Post by JohnV on Jan 4, 2021 9:47:47 GMT
pretty good agreement made between Oxford and AstraZenica for a year the vaccine will be marketed at cost for all purchasers, after that undeveloped countries will continue to get it at cost but they will be allowed to make a profit from sales in the developed world.
Not the full deal that Oxford wanted but still a very good compromise
Even though this deal will prevent lives being saved! don't follow that comment
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 9:50:05 GMT
Even though this deal will prevent lives being saved! don't follow that comment If Oxford shares the formula so all the other pharmaceutical companies could produce the vaccine wouldn’t it speed up production? Thus saving lives?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 9:56:31 GMT
Those that believe that we will be home by the summer are going to be disappointed. 1,000,000 doses a week that's 33 weeks to do half the UK population and that is if it all runs smoothly. Is half the population enough to make it safe ? No one knows. By the third week in January they hope to be doing 2 million a week, thats as long as the facility in Wrexham can get it act together 2 mill a week is still 16 weeks that's the beginning of May at the earliest, provided nothing goes wrong or we do t get a mutation that the vaccine doesn't work on. I have only been allowing for one jab per person the times will be doubled for two jabs.
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Post by quaysider on Jan 4, 2021 10:03:55 GMT
I don't see why Boris and co can't think a bit outside the box in regards, getting more vaccinations done.
What about using vets or even farmers - Christ, I had a diabetic other half in the past and often had to administer "the big night-time" dose when he'd gotten too pissed to do it.. with no medical training (or google to ask for help back in 1996).
Get the Vets out doing mobile clinics in village halls etc. commons sense to me.
Crumbs, Give me a bucket load and I'll wander down the cut myself!
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 10:05:08 GMT
I don't see why Boris and co can't think a bit outside the box in regards, getting more vaccinations done. What about using vets or even farmers - Christ, I had a diabetic other half in the past and often had to administer "the big night-time" dose when he'd gotten too pissed to do it.. with no medical training (or google to ask for help back in 1996). Get the Vets out doing mobile clinics in village halls etc. commons sense to me. Crumbs, Give me a bucket load and I'll wander down the cut myself! Bucket load of???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 10:15:31 GMT
I don't see why Boris and co can't think a bit outside the box in regards, getting more vaccinations done. What about using vets or even farmers - Christ, I had a diabetic other half in the past and often had to administer "the big night-time" dose when he'd gotten too pissed to do it.. with no medical training (or google to ask for help back in 1996). Get the Vets out doing mobile clinics in village halls etc. commons sense to me. Crumbs, Give me a bucket load and I'll wander down the cut myself! You keep your prick away from me.. 😉
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Post by JohnV on Jan 4, 2021 10:27:38 GMT
don't follow that comment If Oxford shares the formula so all the other pharmaceutical companies could produce the vaccine wouldn’t it speed up production? Thus saving lives? suppose that is a possibility
However I understand that the reason that they went into an agreement with a pharmaceutical company to develop it into a practical product was because that was needed to to get it out there quickly through all hoops it would have to jump through to get approval.
Without that link there were many problems in getting produced ...... on their own the research team was described as someont trying to cut their way through a jungle without a machete
If an upside was to get it approved and into production fast then there would probably be a downside.
Also worth remembering that having a good link to a pharma giant will make that manufacturer much more receptive to anything else from that team (who incidentally have what seems to be a malaria vaccination in the pipeline)
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Post by JohnV on Jan 4, 2021 10:34:35 GMT
I don't see why Boris and co can't think a bit outside the box in regards, getting more vaccinations done. What about using vets or even farmers - Christ, I had a diabetic other half in the past and often had to administer "the big night-time" dose when he'd gotten too pissed to do it.. with no medical training (or google to ask for help back in 1996). Get the Vets out doing mobile clinics in village halls etc. commons sense to me. Crumbs, Give me a bucket load and I'll wander down the cut myself! don't think there is going to be much delays in giving vaccinations when Essex on it's own did more in four days that several EU countries added together.
(one small town, Wickford, vaccinated over 2,500 in 4 days in their village hall)
I think it probably takes a certain amount of time to do the organising and phoning round of those on the lists (and even collating those lists)
and production can't be ramped up to billions of doses a week instantly
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 10:46:50 GMT
I don't see why Boris and co can't think a bit outside the box in regards, getting more vaccinations done. What about using vets or even farmers - Christ, I had a diabetic other half in the past and often had to administer "the big night-time" dose when he'd gotten too pissed to do it.. with no medical training (or google to ask for help back in 1996). Get the Vets out doing mobile clinics in village halls etc. commons sense to me. Crumbs, Give me a bucket load and I'll wander down the cut myself! don't think there is going to be much delays in giving vaccinations when Essex on it's own did more in four days that several EU countries added together.
(one small town, Wickford, vaccinated over 2,500 in 4 days in their village hall)
I think it probably takes a certain amount of time to do the organising and phoning round of those on the lists (and even collating those lists)
and production can't be ramped up to billions of doses a week instantly
Production pace will be the problem I’d expect. So, why not share the formula?
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Post by bodger on Jan 4, 2021 10:48:19 GMT
fair comment.
................. and those who refuse to have a jab when called in should have a badge of their own design to demonstrate how brave they are to risk getting infected - a bit like the Jews in WW2. The rest of us can avoid them or push them off the pavement if they get in the way.
Millions died fighting against the Nazis, it seems it was all in vain listening to you.Twat. I think you know I was suggesting a badge to identify people, not that the Jews designed and wore their badge voluntarily. But I felt a clarification was in order because, re-reading what I wrote, I realise that there are some twats* who might read into it more than was intended.
* no names, no pack drill.
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Post by peterboat on Jan 4, 2021 11:13:04 GMT
If Oxford shares the formula so all the other pharmaceutical companies could produce the vaccine wouldn’t it speed up production? Thus saving lives? suppose that is a possibility
However I understand that the reason that they went into an agreement with a pharmaceutical company to develop it into a practical product was because that was needed to to get it out there quickly through all hoops it would have to jump through to get approval.
Without that link there were many problems in getting produced ...... on their own the research team was described as someont trying to cut their way through a jungle without a machete
If an upside was to get it approved and into production fast then there would probably be a downside.
Also worth remembering that having a good link to a pharma giant will make that manufacturer much more receptive to anything else from that team (who incidentally have what seems to be a malaria vaccination in the pipeline)
50 million doses plus already been made by a vaccine producer in India it is being licensed I believe, read link below its half way through
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Post by JohnV on Jan 4, 2021 11:16:59 GMT
don't think there is going to be much delays in giving vaccinations when Essex on it's own did more in four days that several EU countries added together.
(one small town, Wickford, vaccinated over 2,500 in 4 days in their village hall)
I think it probably takes a certain amount of time to do the organising and phoning round of those on the lists (and even collating those lists)
and production can't be ramped up to billions of doses a week instantly
Production pace will be the problem I’d expect. So, why not share the formula? apart from anything else .... how many major pharma companies would be interested in setting up a production line to sell at cost (can't get more while Astra zenica are selling at cost) in the hopes that in a years time they might be able to make a profit ..... more likely they would wait for the year before putting any real effort into it
No, I think Oxford probably chose the best route to get the most the quickest at the lowest possible price. Not saying there might not have been alternatives but I reckon it was a good call
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Post by peterboat on Jan 4, 2021 11:23:21 GMT
Production pace will be the problem I’d expect. So, why not share the formula? apart from anything else .... how many major pharma companies would be interested in setting up a production line to sell at cost (can't get more while Astra zenica are selling at cost) in the hopes that in a years time they might be able to make a profit ..... more likely they would wait for the year before putting any real effort into it
No, I think Oxford probably chose the best route to get the most the quickest at the lowest possible price. Not saying there might not have been alternatives but I reckon it was a good call
India has approved its own vaccine as well which is nasal based according to my link,
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 11:29:19 GMT
suppose that is a possibility
However I understand that the reason that they went into an agreement with a pharmaceutical company to develop it into a practical product was because that was needed to to get it out there quickly through all hoops it would have to jump through to get approval.
Without that link there were many problems in getting produced ...... on their own the research team was described as someont trying to cut their way through a jungle without a machete
If an upside was to get it approved and into production fast then there would probably be a downside.
Also worth remembering that having a good link to a pharma giant will make that manufacturer much more receptive to anything else from that team (who incidentally have what seems to be a malaria vaccination in the pipeline)
50 million doses plus already been made by a vaccine producer in India it is being licensed I believe, read link below its half way through
Well that is good news.
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Post by ianali on Jan 4, 2021 11:32:40 GMT
apart from anything else .... how many major pharma companies would be interested in setting up a production line to sell at cost (can't get more while Astra zenica are selling at cost) in the hopes that in a years time they might be able to make a profit ..... more likely they would wait for the year before putting any real effort into it
No, I think Oxford probably chose the best route to get the most the quickest at the lowest possible price. Not saying there might not have been alternatives but I reckon it was a good call
India has approved its own vaccine as well which is nasal based according to my link, Now wouldn’t a nasal based vaccine be a wonderful thing! Good old India, saving lives and British motorcycle names.
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