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Post by Trina on Jul 20, 2021 14:57:16 GMT
Thunderboat is getting like the telly, too many repeats !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 16:22:35 GMT
Someone stole a boat?
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Post by thebfg on Jul 20, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
What are the actual chances the allegations of theft will ever be proven?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 17:39:39 GMT
1 in 762.
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Post by thebfg on Jul 20, 2021 18:40:03 GMT
That low?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 18:58:04 GMT
That's a ball park figure.
We could be looking at 400 ish in the best case scenario.
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Post by duncan on Jul 20, 2021 22:08:10 GMT
Does Alan Roberts have proof of ownership?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 21, 2021 4:54:56 GMT
Does Alan Roberts have proof of ownership? He does, Duncan, . . in fact he is the only party to this matter in possession of a genuine verifiable Bill of Sale for the ship, together with other 'wet ink' signature supporting documentation from the previous owner. S. Beacham, the proprietor of Sharpness Shipyard, self-styled "saver of historic ships", and the man in whose possession "Planet" has been since 24 September 2016, announced in a BBC Radio Merseyside interview with maritime historian Peter Elson in the early Spring of 2017 that he he now owned "Planet" having bought it from the C&RT simply to save it from being scrapped. Following the announcement from Beacham, owner of the illegally seized, . . or to be more precise, stolen ship, Alan Roberts, visited Sharpness in person and having confronted Beacham in his shipyard office was promised that he would be sent a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for "Planet" that Beacham stated he had. Over four years later, . . and the promised copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale has yet to materialize ! Shipowner Alan Roberts, however, isn't the only one waiting for sight of this mysterious and unquestionably phony document, . . there are, or rather have been, prospective buyers for the ship, the most recent being only a few weeks ago, and all of whom have wisely and properly declined to proceed with the purchase of a vessel offered for sale by someone who can't, or won't, produce ANY verifiable documentation as to ownership, or as to how the vessel came to be delivered into his possession nearly five years ago. At no point, since "Planet" was unlawfully seized on 19 September 2016 by bogus Bailiffs working for C&RT's contractor Commercial Boat Services, have C&RT or its mendacious lawyers ever produced anything on paper resembling any form of documentation, verifiable or otherwise, relating to how the ship came to be in its possession, and claimed ownership, from that date until its fictitious 'sale' to Beacham some six months later. The closest C&RT have ever come to producing any such documentation was the knowingly false evidence exhibited at the High Court hearing on 19 December 2016 when, in opposing the Injunction that had been obtained preventing the sale of the ship by the C&RT, its lawyers included with the papers submitted to the Court for the Judge to read prior to the hearing, written material stating that the seizure of "Planet" on 19 September 2016 was executed under - quote - "a High Court Warrant".
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Post by peterboat on Jul 21, 2021 10:22:34 GMT
Does Alan Roberts have proof of ownership? He does, Duncan, . . in fact he is the only party to this matter in possession of a genuine verifiable Bill of Sale for the ship, together with other 'wet ink' signature supporting documentation from the previous owner. S. Beacham, the proprietor of Sharpness Shipyard, self-styled "saver of historic ships", and the man in whose possession "Planet" has been since 24 September 2016, announced in a BBC Radio Merseyside interview with maritime historian Peter Elson in the early Spring of 2017 that he he now owned "Planet" having bought it from the C&RT simply to save it from being scrapped. Following the announcement from Beacham, owner of the illegally seized, . . or to be more precise, stolen ship, Alan Roberts, visited Sharpness in person and having confronted Beacham in his shipyard office was promised that he would be sent a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for "Planet" that Beacham stated he had. Over four years later, . . and the promised copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale has yet to materialize ! Shipowner Alan Roberts, however, isn't the only one waiting for sight of this mysterious and unquestionably phony document, . . there are, or rather have been, prospective buyers for the ship, the most recent being only a few weeks ago, and all of whom have wisely and properly declined to proceed with the purchase of a vessel offered for sale by someone who can't, or won't, produce ANY verifiable documentation as to ownership, or as to how the vessel came to be delivered into his possession nearly five years ago. At no point, since "Planet" was unlawfully seized on 19 September 2016 by bogus Bailiffs working for C&RT's contractor Commercial Boat Services, have C&RT or its mendacious lawyers ever produced anything on paper resembling any form of documentation, verifiable or otherwise, relating to how the ship came to be in its possession, and claimed ownership, from that date until its fictitious 'sale' to Beacham some six months later. The closest C&RT have ever come to producing any such documentation was the knowingly false evidence exhibited at the High Court hearing on 19 December 2016 when, in opposing the Injunction that had been obtained preventing the sale of the ship by the C&RT, its lawyers included with the papers submitted to the Court for the Judge to read prior to the hearing, written material stating that the seizure of "Planet" on 19 September 2016 was executed under - quote - "a High Court Warrant". I think the ship will be scrapped when steel is at a high, it will save him a lot of pain and heartache plus he will recoup some of his losses
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Post by JohnV on Jul 21, 2021 11:09:17 GMT
He does, Duncan, . . in fact he is the only party to this matter in possession of a genuine verifiable Bill of Sale for the ship, together with other 'wet ink' signature supporting documentation from the previous owner. S. Beacham, the proprietor of Sharpness Shipyard, self-styled "saver of historic ships", and the man in whose possession "Planet" has been since 24 September 2016, announced in a BBC Radio Merseyside interview with maritime historian Peter Elson in the early Spring of 2017 that he he now owned "Planet" having bought it from the C&RT simply to save it from being scrapped. Following the announcement from Beacham, owner of the illegally seized, . . or to be more precise, stolen ship, Alan Roberts, visited Sharpness in person and having confronted Beacham in his shipyard office was promised that he would be sent a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for "Planet" that Beacham stated he had. Over four years later, . . and the promised copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale has yet to materialize ! Shipowner Alan Roberts, however, isn't the only one waiting for sight of this mysterious and unquestionably phony document, . . there are, or rather have been, prospective buyers for the ship, the most recent being only a few weeks ago, and all of whom have wisely and properly declined to proceed with the purchase of a vessel offered for sale by someone who can't, or won't, produce ANY verifiable documentation as to ownership, or as to how the vessel came to be delivered into his possession nearly five years ago. At no point, since "Planet" was unlawfully seized on 19 September 2016 by bogus Bailiffs working for C&RT's contractor Commercial Boat Services, have C&RT or its mendacious lawyers ever produced anything on paper resembling any form of documentation, verifiable or otherwise, relating to how the ship came to be in its possession, and claimed ownership, from that date until its fictitious 'sale' to Beacham some six months later. The closest C&RT have ever come to producing any such documentation was the knowingly false evidence exhibited at the High Court hearing on 19 December 2016 when, in opposing the Injunction that had been obtained preventing the sale of the ship by the C&RT, its lawyers included with the papers submitted to the Court for the Judge to read prior to the hearing, written material stating that the seizure of "Planet" on 19 September 2016 was executed under - quote - "a High Court Warrant". I think the ship will be scrapped when steel is at a high, it will save him a lot of pain and heartache plus he will recoup some of his losses As long as there is a possibility of legal action being taken against CRT, scrapping it could have consequences for him if he was considered to be complicit in the original act
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 24, 2021 9:35:09 GMT
He does, Duncan, . . in fact he is the only party to this matter in possession of a genuine verifiable Bill of Sale for the ship, together with other 'wet ink' signature supporting documentation from the previous owner. S. Beacham, the proprietor of Sharpness Shipyard, self-styled "saver of historic ships", and the man in whose possession "Planet" has been since 24 September 2016, announced in a BBC Radio Merseyside interview with maritime historian Peter Elson in the early Spring of 2017 that he he now owned "Planet" having bought it from the C&RT simply to save it from being scrapped. Following the announcement from Beacham, owner of the illegally seized, . . or to be more precise, stolen ship, Alan Roberts, visited Sharpness in person and having confronted Beacham in his shipyard office was promised that he would be sent a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for "Planet" that Beacham stated he had. Over four years later, . . and the promised copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale has yet to materialize ! Shipowner Alan Roberts, however, isn't the only one waiting for sight of this mysterious and unquestionably phony document, . . there are, or rather have been, prospective buyers for the ship, the most recent being only a few weeks ago, and all of whom have wisely and properly declined to proceed with the purchase of a vessel offered for sale by someone who can't, or won't, produce ANY verifiable documentation as to ownership, or as to how the vessel came to be delivered into his possession nearly five years ago. At no point, since "Planet" was unlawfully seized on 19 September 2016 by bogus Bailiffs working for C&RT's contractor Commercial Boat Services, have C&RT or its mendacious lawyers ever produced anything on paper resembling any form of documentation, verifiable or otherwise, relating to how the ship came to be in its possession, and claimed ownership, from that date until its fictitious 'sale' to Beacham some six months later. The closest C&RT have ever come to producing any such documentation was the knowingly false evidence exhibited at the High Court hearing on 19 December 2016 when, in opposing the Injunction that had been obtained preventing the sale of the ship by the C&RT, its lawyers included with the papers submitted to the Court for the Judge to read prior to the hearing, written material stating that the seizure of "Planet" on 19 September 2016 was executed under - quote - "a High Court Warrant". I think the ship will be scrapped when steel is at a high, it will save him a lot of pain and heartache plus he will recoup some of his losses It isn't that simple, Peter, . . not least because "Planet" isn't, and never has been, either Beacham's or C&RT's to sell. Whatever fairy stories and lies have been put about by C&RT since it planned, executed and financed the theft of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightship nearly five years ago, the inescapable fact is that to this day the ship remains in truth, reality, and in law, the property of the man that C&RT stole it from. What lawyers refer to as "good title" to, and therefore indisputable 'ownership' of, LV23 -"Planet" is not and never has been in question, or formally claimed by C&RT, at any time prior to or since the unlawful seizure of the ship by C&RT contractors, Commercial Boat Services. The C&RT have never publicly, or through the Courts, claimed anything other than a "contractual right" to seize and dispose of Alan Roberts' ship. The specious claim to a contractual right to seize, relocate from Liverpool to Sharpness, and to sell LV23 -"Planet" is and was primarily, erroneously, and above all dishonestly, founded on a Termination Clause in a Berthing Agreement into which Alan Roberts entered with the C&RT to berth the ship in the disused Liverpool South Docks. The Termination Clause in the C&RT/Roberts Berthing Agreement, although poorly drafted and worded, was broadly typical of the standard termination clauses to be found in the mooring or berthing contracts and agreements in everyday use by all UK berth providers and marinas - all of which are in turn broadly based on the British Marine berthing/mooring contract template - and all of which are subject to the statutory constraints and controls of the 'Uncollected goods' provisions of the Torts (Interference with Goods) Act of 1977. Section 12 of the (TIG) Act confers on the 'involuntary bailee' of 'uncollected goods' - which in the case of LV23 -"Planet" berthed in Canning Dock, Liverpool on 19 September 2016, was the C&RT - a right to sell those goods on the expiry of the requisite period of mandatory notice requiring the owner of the goods to remove them from the bailee's property or premises. Section 12 of the Act does NOT, however, confer the right to do what the C&RT did with Alan Roberts' ship on 19 September 2016, which was to forcibly and fraudulently seize possession of the vessel immediately prior to relocating it to a distant port from where it was then offered up for sale.
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Post by kris on Jul 24, 2021 19:38:05 GMT
I get the strangest feeling of deva vue, when I read any of Tony’s posts.
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Post by Jim on Jul 24, 2021 19:40:29 GMT
I get the strangest feeling of deva vue, when I read any of Tony’s posts. He's getting to be a dab hand with the copy and paste malarkey. Hold onto your crown naughtyfox.
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Post by Jim on Jul 24, 2021 19:41:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 19:43:43 GMT
And I was like "I can recommend a barrister but he charges £1250 to send a really good letter". Damhikt And I was also like "in this case if he gets me the £250k I am due then kudos to him I will buy him a pint". Yeah yeah yeah.
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