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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 27, 2021 6:51:05 GMT
(via e-mail) Ex-Liverpool Bar Lightvessel - LV23 - "Planet"
Fao S. Beacham 26 July 2021
Mr Beacham,
Transcripts of a number of recent telephone conversations in which you and a Mr Paul Beacham fraudulently portrayed yourselves as the owners and/or legitimate sellers of LV23-"Planet" have been forwarded to Alan Roberts by a prospective buyer of the ship to whom you were unable, or unwilling, to provide a copy of a Bill of Sale, or any other documentary proof of either good title to the ship or lawful authority to sell as agent or broker.
We are also aware that you were unable, or unwilling, to provide a copy of a Bill of Sale or any other documentary proof of either good title to the ship, or lawful authority to sell as agent or broker, after being contacted by National Historic Ships UK pursuant to a similar request on behalf of another prospective buyer back in March of this year.
It is now some 4 years since you promised, at a meeting in your office at Sharpness, to forward a copy of the 2017 Bill of Sale for LV23-"Planet" that you claim to have from the Canal & River Trust [C&RT] to the ship's undisputed owner, Mr Alan Roberts.
The above reference to Mr Roberts as the ship's 'undisputed' owner will no doubt come as an unwelcome surprise as you have probably never been made aware that at no time prior to the public announcement of the supposed 'sale' of the ship to you did the C&RT ever formally claim ownership of or good title to LV23-"Planet".
All that the C&RT have ever claimed was a 'contractual' right to sell Mr Roberts' ship derived from a Termination Clause in the Liverpool South Docks Berthing Agreement between Mr Roberts and the C&RT. The contractual right to sell the ship initially gained tacit endorsement under a High Court Judgment lifting the Injunction that was preventing the C&RT from selling the ship on 19 December 2016.
That Judgment has since been called into question, and along with it the tacit endorsement of the specious claim to a contractual right to sell Mr Roberts' ship, by way of revelations that the C&RT's lawyers obtained the Judgment lifting the Injunction on the back of known to be false written evidence submitted to the Court shortly before the hearing that indicated to the Court that the seizure of the ship in Liverpool on 19 September 2016 and the subsequent removal and tow to Sharpness had been lawfully executed pursuant to a High Court Warrant. Having been informed of the above in writing now leaves you knowingly in possession of a ship that the seller of the ship in 2017, the C&RT, knew it had no lawful right, contractual or otherwise, to sell to you or any other party.
Mr Roberts has never received the promised copy of the BoS, or any other communication from you since meeting with you in your office back in 2017, it is therefore plainly evident that no such Bill of Sale exists, or has ever existed, and that the C&RT originated story of the supposed sale of the ship to yourselves was simply a fabrication to which you were a willing party.
With multiple video and audio recordings, telephone call transcripts, and information from National Historic Ships UK, Mr Roberts has ample evidence gathered from early 2017 to the present of your personal involvement in this matter from the time the ship was left in your possession on 24 September 2016, after arriving in Sharpness.
You have limited options, and very little time remaining during which you may possibly be able to dissociate yourself from this conspiracy to deprive Alan Roberts of his ship and his livelihood. You would be well advised to make good use of the time, and the choice of options.
In the interests of openness and accountability this letter will be published on the internet.
Signed,
A.K.Dunkley (Shipowner's Representative)Was that an earth tremor centred around Gloucester or Mr Beacham quaking in his boots? The 26 July 2021 e-mailed letter to S. Beacham was sent - as requested by Alan Roberts' lawyers - as part of the continuing exercise in gathering evidence, in particular of anything demonstrating dishonesty and the intent to deceive on the part of the C&RT or any of its agents. I doubt it will have him "quaking in his boots", . . I don't think he's anything like bright enough to understand either the implications of the letter, or the position that C&RT rather disingenuously manoeuvred him into with a denial, to National Historic Ships UK, of any definite knowledge as to the identity of the current owner of LV23 -"Planet", or the present location of the ship. Alan Roberts' has a video/audio recording of Beacham - made in the presence of an on duty Gloucestershire Police officer, and AFTER the date on which C&RT later publicly announced that LV23-"Planet" had been sold - stating that any queries or any other matter relating to the ship must be made not through him or through Sharpness Shipyard, but - quote - "through the proper channels" - to the C&RT. On the one hand we have Beacham, unable, or unwilling, to produce a Bill of Sale or any documentation of any sort relating to the ship during the whole of the time it has been in his possession, and stating that any and all matters relating to it must be dealt with through the C&RT, . . and on the other hand we have the C&RT not prepared to go any further than stating to National Historic Ships UK that "as far as we [C&RT] are aware the current owner of LV23-"Planet" is Sharpness Shipyard ".
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 27, 2021 8:35:29 GMT
But out of interest I know your helping him and that's commendable but would you not be better served concentrating on your own issues? The theft of LV23 -"Planet" in September 2016 and the theft of "Halcyon Daze" just over four years later on 22 October 2020 share many common factors, . . both in planning, execution and to some extent in having some of the same directing minds behind both unlawful acts. The aftermath of both events has also been strikingly similar with, in both cases, the C&RT studiously avoiding the creation of any form of record or documentation of its actions, or identifying or recording the details of the shadowy companies and individuals actively participating or indirectly involved. In assisting Alan Roberts and his lawyers in gathering evidence and preparing their case, I am, at the same time, also doing the same for myself.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 27, 2021 10:45:32 GMT
Was that an earth tremor centred around Gloucester or Mr Beacham quaking in his boots? On the one hand we have Beacham, unable, or unwilling, to produce a Bill of Sale or any documentation of any sort relating to the ship during the whole of the time it has been in his possession, and stating that any and all matters relating to it must be dealt with through the C&RT, . You don't seem to understand that Mr Beacham has no obligation whatsoever to provide you with anything, and more than I would if you demanded a copy of the bill of sale for my boat.
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Post by duncan on Jul 27, 2021 12:22:36 GMT
On the one hand we have Beacham, unable, or unwilling, to produce a Bill of Sale or any documentation of any sort relating to the ship during the whole of the time it has been in his possession, and stating that any and all matters relating to it must be dealt with through the C&RT, . You don't seem to understand that Mr Beacham has no obligation whatsoever to provide you with anything, and more than I would if you demanded a copy of the bill of sale for my boat. Not sure I agree with you. I have made it clear from the start that I don't understand much of this legalise, but surely a prospective buyer of Planet, or HD, has every right to see a document which proves that the person or organisation selling the craft actually owns it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 12:39:35 GMT
You don't seem to understand that Mr Beacham has no obligation whatsoever to provide you with anything, and more than I would if you demanded a copy of the bill of sale for my boat. Not sure I agree with you. I have made it clear from the start that I don't understand much of this legalise, but surely a prospective buyer of Planet, or HD, has every right to see a document which proves that the person or organisation selling the craft actually owns it. Yes, but would you produce it for every inquisitive Tom, Dick or Mohammed that asked? Still, should there ever be a hearing the beak may ask to see it. That would be interesting were it to occur.
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Post by Jim on Jul 27, 2021 13:00:34 GMT
Not sure I agree with you. I have made it clear from the start that I don't understand much of this legalise, but surely a prospective buyer of Planet, or HD, has every right to see a document which proves that the person or organisation selling the craft actually owns it. Yes, but would you produce it for every inquisitive Tom, Dick or Mohammed that asked? Still, should there ever be a hearing the beak may ask to see it. That would be interesting were it to occur. I think a stooge was sent round "to buy the boat" and would have had a legitimate need to check the provenance. It seems none was forthcoming. I wish the true owner well in recovering the boat but I have my doubts, not sufficient financial backing, CRT are relying on this. Same with Tony and the stunned kingfisher, trying to goad CRT to take him to court. CRT are completely out of order, but what can be done without dosh?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 13:34:35 GMT
Is the BAR lightship for sale?
If it isn't advertised then anyone attempting to buy it must have some sort of reason to want to buy it other than because it is actually for sale.
It's sort of obvious in a way. And demanding to see bill of sale sort of gives the game away with regard to it being related to the owner at the time of seizure.
One must be more cunning.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 14:02:06 GMT
Yes, but would you produce it for every inquisitive Tom, Dick or Mohammed that asked? Still, should there ever be a hearing the beak may ask to see it. That would be interesting were it to occur. I think a stooge was sent round "to buy the boat" and would have had a legitimate need to check the provenance. It seems none was forthcoming. I wish the true owner well in recovering the boat but I have my doubts, not sufficient financial backing, CRT are relying on this. Same with Tony and the stunned kingfisher, trying to goad CRT to take him to court. CRT are completely out of order, but what can be done without dosh? Stooges. Goons. Whatever next?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 14:02:53 GMT
Is the BAR lightship for sale? If it isn't advertised then anyone attempting to buy it must have some sort of reason to want to buy it other than because it is actually for sale. It's sort of obvious in a way. And demanding to see bill of sale sort of gives the game away with regard to it being related to the owner at the time of seizure. One must be more cunning. The game is afoot...
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Post by Jim on Jul 27, 2021 14:55:23 GMT
Is the BAR lightship for sale? If it isn't advertised then anyone attempting to buy it must have some sort of reason to want to buy it other than because it is actually for sale. It's sort of obvious in a way. And demanding to see bill of sale sort of gives the game away with regard to it being related to the owner at the time of seizure. One must be more cunning. The game is afoot... Nah, since 1971 it's been 304.8mm.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:14:09 GMT
Nah, since 1971 it's been 304.8mm. Hey Jim, that's like a joke only smaller...
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 27, 2021 15:24:13 GMT
Is the BAR lightship for sale? If it isn't advertised then anyone attempting to buy it must have some sort of reason to want to buy it other than because it is actually for sale. It's sort of obvious in a way. And demanding to see bill of sale sort of gives the game away with regard to it being related to the owner at the time of seizure. One must be more cunning. Despite a public announcement made by C&RT on 11 April 2017 stating that LV23 -"Planet" had been sold (to S. Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard) for the sum of £12,500, the ship was in fact listed for sale for almost the last four and half years on the National Historic Ships Register, on the instructions of the C&RT and at an asking price of £60,000, from January 2017 until the middle of June 2021, when the listing was removed at the owner's (Alan Roberts) request. Further relevant details and information are to be found in the following post from page 1 of this thread, . . and which it is quite apparent that few have taken the trouble to read properly, . . or had the nouse to understand : -- (First posted on 16 June 2021 and now posted again here primarily for the purpose of irritating the stupid sods who complain about posts that they haven't bothered to read properly in the first place being repeated) The cover story under which Canal & River Trust attempted to bury the evidence of its pre-meditated theft of the ex-Liverpool Bar Lightvessel "Planet", in Canning Half-Tide Dock, Liverpool, on the morning of 19 September 2016, has come unravelled a bit more over the last few days.
Alan Roberts, the owner of the ex-Lightvessel "Planet", currently held illegally in the possession of the man that the C&RT lied about having sold the ship to back in April 2017, a Mr S. Beacham of Sharpness Shipyard & Drydock Ltd at Sharpness Dock in Gloucestershire, has been contacted by a prospective buyer of the ship who, in the belief that S. Beacham was the rightful owner, had approached him with a view to buying the ship to convert into a floating art gallery and living quarters.
Negotiations between this prospective buyer and Beacham came to a dead stop when Beacham was unable, or unwilling - probably both - to produce any form of sales or proof of ownership documentation to establish his bona fides as the seller of the ship, and, believe it or not, actually advised the prospective buyer to verify any questions as to 'good title' to the ship and how it came to be in his possession, . . on this internet forum !
Those who have followed the saga of the Liverpool Lightship since its unlawful seizure, by some night club bouncers and football match stewards, acting on the explicit instructions of the C&RT, impersonating authorized Bailiffs and pretending to be 'enforcing' a "High Court Warrant", in Liverpool on 19 September 2016, will recall that C&RT announced that it had sold "Planet" to Beacham for £12,500 in early 2017, . . and they will no doubt also recall that the ship's rightful owner, Alan Roberts, was promised a copy of the C&RT Bill of Sale for the ship at around the same time.
To this day, no copy Bill of Sale has ever been produced or forwarded to Alan Roberts by Beacham, . . and by coincidence we have learned today that a similar written enquiry to Beacham in March of this year from the National Historic Ships Register [NHSR] on behalf of another prospective buyer for "Planet" has produced exactly the same result, . . no copy Bill of Sale, and no other form of supporting paperwork.
A similar enquiry by NHSR, on behalf of the same prospective buyer made just prior to them (NHSR) contacting Beacham in March this year, was made to the C&RT, who had been on the NHSR records as the rightful owner of LV23 ( note; NOT "Planet") since January 2017 when it had declared itself as such, and elicited the somewhat vague reply from the Trust that "as far as it was aware" the "current owner" of "Planet" was Sharpness Shipyard. Again, no supporting documentation of any sort was provided to NHSR by the C&RT.
So, there we have it, . . the only party who is willing to, or can, produce a valid Bill of Sale and supporting certification for "Planet" is the man that the C&RT stole it from on 19 September 2016. On the other hand, the totally devoid of documentation Mr Beacham, and his equally documentation free co-conspirators from C&RT and their agents, Commercial Boat Services, can now look forward to having some more rather awkward questions to answer, . . in addition to the ones about the bogus 'Bailiffs' and the non-existent 'High Court Warrant' they claimed to be 'enforcing' on the day the ship was seized (stolen) !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 15:41:03 GMT
Surely if the boats are stolen and the rightful owners know where they are the owners could just go and take possession of them and move them to wherever they want. 😉
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 27, 2021 15:47:26 GMT
Surely if the boats are stolen and the rightful owners know where they are the owners could just go and take possession of them and move them to wherever they want. 😉 Try persuading any of the UK mainland Police forces round to that way of thinking, . . and let me know how you get on !
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Post by Jim on Jul 27, 2021 15:59:13 GMT
Nah, since 1971 it's been 304.8mm. Hey Jim, that's like a joke only smaller... Oi, you've got my missing joke book. Last seen in fox's attic. Anyway we must be serious on this thread, don't go on with silly posts. Stop giggling.
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