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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 21:21:42 GMT
I had an antibody test x2 weeks before my booster Results back this week it showed a) I have never had Covid b) A high level of antibodies due to the vaccines... Now in view of that I suspect I did not need the booster and It may have been why I had such a bad reaction to the booster On a plus I know the vaccines have worked for me That's interesting. I wonder how it is possible to tell that you "never had covid". Presumably there must be something in the vaccine that marks your immunity out as being caused by the vaccine rather than naturally by your body successfully dealing with an infection. Not doubting it but slightly impressed with what can be done !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 21:28:28 GMT
I had an antibody test x2 weeks before my booster Results back this week it showed a) I have never had Covid b) A high level of antibodies due to the vaccines... Now in view of that I suspect I did not need the booster and It may have been why I had such a bad reaction to the booster On a plus I know the vaccines have worked for me That's interesting. I wonder how it is possible to tell that you "never had covid". Presumably there must be something in the vaccine that marks your immunity out as being caused by the vaccine rather than naturally by your body successfully dealing with an infection. Not doubting it but slightly impressed with what can be done ! Slightly different types of antibodies one set for covid and another for vax so its easy for a suitably qualified person to tell which is which.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2022 21:34:10 GMT
That's interesting. I wonder how it is possible to tell that you "never had covid". Presumably there must be something in the vaccine that marks your immunity out as being caused by the vaccine rather than naturally by your body successfully dealing with an infection. Not doubting it but slightly impressed with what can be done ! I’d say on average that for every dinghy full of men which washes up in Kent, at least one more vulnerable pre pubescent girl somewhere in the UK is placed into immediate or longer term danger. And the parasites are pretty much 80-90% all men. You contrast this to Ukraine where they are sending their women and children to relative safety whist they pick up a gun. The goatfuckers meanwhile leave theirs to the Taliban and Islamic State. It must be nice living in north Devon surrounded by only white people.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 3, 2022 21:59:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 21:11:51 GMT
I'm sure they are told and believe the same in Pyongyang. This is true. Defectors from the north mostly remain staunchly patriotic despite their experiences and usually reject all suggestions that the leader's 'divine origin' myth may not be entirely true. Even many Jewish people in Nazi Germany were initially convinced that the leader of the nation was unaware of the atrocities. In the Great War the notion that German soldiers impaled babies on their spiked helmets was lapped up, in the Second World War the appeal for old saucepans to 'build Spitfires' was very successful and during the Gulf War the lie that Patriot missiles were in any way effective was swallowed whole. Personally I'd consider myself to be on dodgy ground if I had to try and convince a Korean defector that everything they've been taught is false. I also feel uneasy about the current situation in Ukraine on similar grounds.
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Post by bodger on Feb 5, 2022 9:09:43 GMT
I'm sure they are told and believe the same in Pyongyang. This is true. Defectors from the north mostly remain staunchly patriotic despite their experiences and usually reject all suggestions that the leader's 'divine origin' myth may not be entirely true. Even many Jewish people in Nazi Germany were initially convinced that the leader of the nation was unaware of the atrocities. In the Great War the notion that German soldiers impaled babies on their spiked helmets was lapped up, in the Second World War the appeal for old saucepans to 'build Spitfires' was very successful and during the Gulf War the lie that Patriot missiles were in any way effective was swallowed whole. Personally I'd consider myself to be on dodgy ground if I had to try and convince a Korean defector that everything they've been taught is false. I also feel uneasy about the current situation in Ukraine on similar grounds. so do you refuse to believe anything that those with a wider knowledge and better information tell you? if that is not the case how do you distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth?
PS: not intended to be a trick question or mere polemic - I am seriously interested in how you make distinctions.
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Post by naughtyfox on Feb 5, 2022 9:31:55 GMT
"We have always been at war with COVID"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 14:54:45 GMT
This is true. Defectors from the north mostly remain staunchly patriotic despite their experiences and usually reject all suggestions that the leader's 'divine origin' myth may not be entirely true. Even many Jewish people in Nazi Germany were initially convinced that the leader of the nation was unaware of the atrocities. In the Great War the notion that German soldiers impaled babies on their spiked helmets was lapped up, in the Second World War the appeal for old saucepans to 'build Spitfires' was very successful and during the Gulf War the lie that Patriot missiles were in any way effective was swallowed whole. Personally I'd consider myself to be on dodgy ground if I had to try and convince a Korean defector that everything they've been taught is false. I also feel uneasy about the current situation in Ukraine on similar grounds. so do you refuse to believe anything that those with a wider knowledge and better information tell you? if that is not the case how do you distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth?
PS: not intended to be a trick question or mere polemic - I am seriously interested in how you make distinctions.
I was simply agreeing with Stabby's assertion, that North Korean citizens are taught to believe falsehoods, is in large part true and I also pointed out that there are known examples of our own gov and others having deliberately lied to the population for whatever purpose. It follows that it is irrational (and stupid) to continue to blindly accept everything the gov decides to tell the population, especially in the post-Bliar world and, if you are honest with yourself, the current scandal only pours petrol on the fire. There was no clear plan of how to deal with the covid crisis - it was made up as they went along and the fact that in the early days temporary morgues (that were thankfully never needed) were hastily constructed is proof enough - yet the pretence that those at the top knew exactly what they were doing has been desperately maintained. Another lie is that 'we are all in it together'. Clearly not. How do I distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth? I'd say it's impossible for anyone to be completely sure since we are in possession of known examples when the gov has manipulated the population for ulterior motives. All anybody has, yourself included, is at best a shitty middle-ground somewhere between doubt and hope.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2022 15:30:28 GMT
so do you refuse to believe anything that those with a wider knowledge and better information tell you? if that is not the case how do you distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth?
PS: not intended to be a trick question or mere polemic - I am seriously interested in how you make distinctions.
I was simply agreeing with Stabby's assertion, that North Korean citizens are taught to believe falsehoods, is in large part true and I also pointed out that there are known examples of our own gov and others having deliberately lied to the population for whatever purpose. It follows that it is irrational (and stupid) to continue to blindly accept everything the gov decides to tell the population, especially in the post-Bliar world and, if you are honest with yourself, the current scandal only pours petrol on the fire. There was no clear plan of how to deal with the covid crisis - it was made up as they went along and the fact that in the early days temporary morgues (that were thankfully never needed) were hastily constructed is proof enough - yet the pretence that those at the top knew exactly what they were doing has been desperately maintained. Another lie is that 'we are all in it together'. Clearly not. How do I distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth? I'd say it's impossible for anyone to be completely sure since we are in possession of known examples when the gov has manipulated the population for ulterior motives. All anybody has, yourself included, is at best a shitty middle-ground somewhere between doubt and hope. I disagree that there is any pretence that those at the top knew what they were doing in the early days. In fact many times I have heard senior politicians stating that they had no idea what they were doing and were making it up as they went along.
If you look at this forum as a microcosm of the world and consider how rarely any two people on here actually agree with each other, it demonstrates that the chances of virtually every government in the world agreeing on much of the basic principles of dealing with the panemic, is effectively zero. Unless those principles were based on good sense and scientific evidence. Occam's razor yet again. So in summary if you want to find out what is the truth and what is lies and falsehoods, you have to look at the big picture, gather ALL the evidence not just that which suits you preconceptions, and then decide.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2022 15:57:09 GMT
I was simply agreeing with Stabby's assertion, that North Korean citizens are taught to believe falsehoods, is in large part true and I also pointed out that there are known examples of our own gov and others having deliberately lied to the population for whatever purpose. It follows that it is irrational (and stupid) to continue to blindly accept everything the gov decides to tell the population, especially in the post-Bliar world and, if you are honest with yourself, the current scandal only pours petrol on the fire. There was no clear plan of how to deal with the covid crisis - it was made up as they went along and the fact that in the early days temporary morgues (that were thankfully never needed) were hastily constructed is proof enough - yet the pretence that those at the top knew exactly what they were doing has been desperately maintained. Another lie is that 'we are all in it together'. Clearly not. How do I distinguish between lies, propaganda and simple truth? I'd say it's impossible for anyone to be completely sure since we are in possession of known examples when the gov has manipulated the population for ulterior motives. All anybody has, yourself included, is at best a shitty middle-ground somewhere between doubt and hope. I disagree that there is any pretence that those at the top knew what they were doing in the early days. In fact many times I have heard senior politicians stating that they had no idea what they were doing and were making it up as they went along.
If you look at this forum as a microcosm of the world and consider how rarely any two people on here actually agree with each other, it demonstrates that the chances of virtually every government in the world agreeing on much of the basic principles of dealing with the panemic, is effectively zero. Unless those principles were based on good sense and scientific evidence. Occam's razor yet again. So in summary if you want to find out what is the truth and what is lies and falsehoods, you have to look at the big picture, gather ALL the evidence not just that which suits you preconceptions, and then decide.
It's deliciously ironic that you assert you know better (no slight intended). But that's what you always do and, come to think of it, so does everyone else. 'Tis but the pile upon which Thunderboat is heaped. Quote an example of a politician admitting they were making it up, ideally about covid. Just for shits and giggles.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2022 16:48:18 GMT
I disagree that there is any pretence that those at the top knew what they were doing in the early days. In fact many times I have heard senior politicians stating that they had no idea what they were doing and were making it up as they went along.
If you look at this forum as a microcosm of the world and consider how rarely any two people on here actually agree with each other, it demonstrates that the chances of virtually every government in the world agreeing on much of the basic principles of dealing with the panemic, is effectively zero. Unless those principles were based on good sense and scientific evidence. Occam's razor yet again. So in summary if you want to find out what is the truth and what is lies and falsehoods, you have to look at the big picture, gather ALL the evidence not just that which suits you preconceptions, and then decide.
It's deliciously ironic that you assert you know better (no slight intended). But that's what you always do and, come to think of it, so does everyone else. 'Tis but the pile upon which Thunderboat is heaped. Quote an example of a politician admitting they were making it up, ideally about covid. Just for shits and giggles. I might be bothered, we'll see how easy it is. But for example I personally have heard several say in on "Question time" and on news programmes but of course that probably cannot be found on the internet. Edit: here is a start, politicians explaining how other politicians got it wrong or at least, "sub-optimal". Edit: No it doesn't seem easy to find that in writing, there aren't transcripts of Question Time etc, but I heard it several times. And its not unreasonable, they had never encountered such a thing before, how could they be expected to know exactly how to pursue the best strategy? But of course you might just want to dismiss that as me lying since it doesn't suit your agenda.
It's not about me knowing better, it is about what I happened to hear them say and presumably what you didn't happen to hear them say.
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Post by Telemachus on Feb 5, 2022 17:12:12 GMT
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Post by Jim on Feb 5, 2022 17:32:12 GMT
What seems strange to me is that even as the hoax is dying a death, and we hear more and more about the cheese and wine parties which our leaders held weekly in Downing Street at a time when we couldn't even visit Granny as she lay dying, the Covidiots seem to harden their resolve evermore against any return to normality. I was idly wondering earlier if a North Korean who did not accept his Government's policy unquestioningly would be a "conspiracy theorist". Of course, the Covidiots would say "But they are a suppressed people whereas we live in a free country". I'm sure they are told and believe the same in Pyongyang. You are forgetting that normally we can go to see our neighbours across the channel without let or hindrance, unlike North Korea. Oh hang on, who voted Brexit... We used to be fairly wealthy, not like North Korea... Oh hang on, who voted Brexit...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 5, 2022 18:11:12 GMT
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Post by Jim on Feb 5, 2022 18:14:37 GMT
You don't seem to be doing many Dover - Calais runs, 17 mile tailback putting you off?
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