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Post by ianali on Sept 6, 2022 16:11:45 GMT
In a cynical moment I would say this is all an organised wealth redistribution. Nothing new under the sun but all that is happening is taxpayer money going to shareholders. And so on. This time if enough people get pissed off enough it could get interesting. It’s all about asset transfer to the top 1%. It’s been going on for ever, but the rate seems to have been increased since 2008. Let’s face it war has always been a good earner for a certain element of the population. Top 0.1 % would be more accurate I’d say. Not that I want to debate it.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2022 16:15:34 GMT
How is anyone currently being forced into debt by the government? Not currently, please read what is written. Before having an argument over what isn’t written. I only asked a question, there was no claim to what you wrote. So if you like, how are the government going to force anyone into debt?
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:17:10 GMT
It’s all about asset transfer to the top 1%. It’s been going on for ever, but the rate seems to have been increased since 2008. Let’s face it war has always been a good earner for a certain element of the population. Top 0.1 % would be more accurate I’d say. Not that I want to debate it. Yes I only use 1% to represent an idea. It could probably 0.1%. I think the expression is follow the money, the net worth of the top “1%” has risen by something like 800%, whilst the net worth of the rest of us has fallen. It’s quite plain to see if you don’t get confused by the bullshit. Since the bank “bailout,” target seem to think they can get away with anything. Unfortunately it’s looking like the can.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:18:15 GMT
Not currently, please read what is written. Before having an argument over what isn’t written. I only asked a question, there was no claim to what you wrote. So if you like, how are the government going to force anyone into debt? we await to see, but they are all talking about people having to pay it back in the future, ie debt.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 6, 2022 16:19:33 GMT
In a cynical moment I would say this is all an organised wealth redistribution. Nothing new under the sun but all that is happening is taxpayer money going to shareholders. And so on. This time if enough people get pissed off enough it could get interesting. It’s all about asset transfer to the top 1%. It’s been going on for ever, but the rate seems to have been increased since 2008. Let’s face it war has always been a good earner for a certain element of the population. I'm a great believer in increasing pay levels for increasing productivity/skill sets/enterprise/hard bloody work
but when it gets too out of sync then there are bound to be major problems in society.
How you reverse that trend without huge and probably very painful effects .... I don't know
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 16:20:12 GMT
The UK prime ministers have been marionettes for a while now.
It's a bit risky to mess too much with basic needs so the plan must be to assist in order to avoid major problems.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:20:25 GMT
Yes like rewarding CEO’s with millions in bonuses.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:22:25 GMT
The UK prime ministers have been marionettes for a while now. It's a bit risky to mess too much with basic needs so the plan must be to assist in order to avoid major problems. Yes I agree and liz truss is going to be dancing to her puppet masters tune. If she likes it or not. The scary thing is she doesn’t appear to bright, which is always worrying in a political leader.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2022 16:28:28 GMT
I only asked a question, there was no claim to what you wrote. So if you like, how are the government going to force anyone into debt? we await to see, but they are all talking about people having to pay it back in the future, ie debt. I haven't seen anyone talking about that, which is why I wondered, all I have seen is that Truss may put an income cap on it to prevent high earners receiving it but What we currently have is a non repayable grant. That will never have to be repaid regardless because it's a grant. It would have to be scrapped and a new policy would have to replace it. Its an interesting point using the word forced, Would anyone have to accept it, if a new policy is brought in and it become say loan, it would be interesting to see if the government could force people to accept it.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:54:45 GMT
It would have to be scrapped and a new policy would have to replace it. Its an interesting point using the word forced, Would anyone have to accept it, if a new policy is brought in and it become say loan, it would be interesting to see if the government could force people to accept it. Putting new policies in place is what governments do. Especially new prime ministers, they are always kean to make their mark. But they don’t have to scrap the old legislation. As for “forced,” I suppose it’s semantics, but if you can’t afford to pay your bills other than borrowing the government money. Then yes you are being forced. But we will all have to wait and see what happens. I get a bad feeling about our new prime minister. I give her until May next year.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 16:58:53 GMT
I got my first payment of the £600 odd this week. It’ll help towards my coal this winter.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 6, 2022 17:40:14 GMT
I got my first payment of the £600 odd this week. It’ll help towards my coal this winter. How can we apply/qualify for that kris? As an off-grid liveaboard now paying 160p for the fuel I was paying 88p for in January to provide my electricity and wondering how very much the cost of coal to heat my boat for the next six months is likely to have gone up I am becoming concerned for a lot of people out here. Just checked my pension forecast last night and it has now moved forward by yet another year.
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Post by kris on Sept 6, 2022 17:43:38 GMT
I got my first payment of the £600 odd this week. It’ll help towards my coal this winter. How can we apply/qualify for that kris? As an off-grid liveaboard now paying 160p for the fuel I was paying 88p for in January to provide my electricity and wondering how very much the cost of coal to heat my boat for the next six months is likely to have gone up I am becoming concerned for a lot of people out here. Just checked my pension forecast last night and it has now moved forward by yet another year. I got it automatically because I receive working tax credits. I think this lot is only if your in receipt of some kind of benefit. I’d recommend filling out the NBTA’s petition to get livaboard boaters the £400 that is coming.
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Post by metanoia on Sept 6, 2022 17:53:30 GMT
I get as much as I can on my roof but as I genuinely do travel I really need to leave a decent space for walking it when working locks. Consequently, 10 bags and I'm struggling for space.
I am very concerned for those who are living hand to mouth, only able to buy a couple of bags each week at whatever price the next boatyard dictates.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 6, 2022 17:53:45 GMT
It would have to be scrapped and a new policy would have to replace it. Its an interesting point using the word forced, Would anyone have to accept it, if a new policy is brought in and it become say loan, it would be interesting to see if the government could force people to accept it. Putting new policies in place is what governments do. Especially new prime ministers, they are always kean to make their mark. But they don’t have to scrap the old legislation. As for “forced,” I suppose it’s semantics, but if you can’t afford to pay your bills other than borrowing the government money. Then yes you are being forced. But we will all have to wait and see what happens. I get a bad feeling about our new prime minister. I give her until May next year. If they don't scrap it, then the conversation is meaningless, because it is not a debt and doesn't need paying back and that cannot change. Yes they could start any new policy at any point, I don't know why anyone should worry about something that isn't decided and is not planned. They could start a new policy on anything at anytime. My original point was on what we have in front of us now and those facts remain true.
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