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Post by dogless on Oct 29, 2023 15:43:46 GMT
Funny you should say that π
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 15:45:31 GMT
Itβs a very simple rig to sail. As well as being reasonably easy and cheap to make yourself. The masts arenβt under tension so none of the exspensive stainless steel rigging to replace regularly. You donβt need to go and bye exspensive bits from a chandlery to maintain it. They are not amazing into the wind, but all in all a much better option for a shoe string cruiser. Itβs a bit like flying a kite tied to a stick. also... Single-handed operations such as reefing are much easier compared to a Bermudan rig; a gybe is no more difficult or dangerous than a tack; sail repairs are potentially easier since the entire sail is composed of several individual panels. however... the mast has to be circular in cross section and, since it is unstayed, needs to be considerably stronger (and likely heavier and bulkier) than a more conventional arrangement. Also, and again because it is unstayed, it is essential that the mast is footed onto the keel. The junk sail requires a horizontal spar every 2-3 feet which increases complexity and weight aloft and, because of the inherent and increased risk of these spars breaking, more spare parts need to be carried. Overall, the sail is less efficient than a single 'sheet'. Thereβs always a compromise. But all in all Iβd prefere a junk rigged boat.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 29, 2023 15:49:03 GMT
also... Single-handed operations such as reefing are much easier compared to a Bermudan rig; a gybe is no more difficult or dangerous than a tack; sail repairs are potentially easier since the entire sail is composed of several individual panels. however... the mast has to be circular in cross section and, since it is unstayed, needs to be considerably stronger (and likely heavier and bulkier) than a more conventional arrangement. Also, and again because it is unstayed, it is essential that the mast is footed onto the keel. The junk sail requires a horizontal spar every 2-3 feet which increases complexity and weight aloft and, because of the inherent and increased risk of these spars breaking, more spare parts need to be carried. Overall, the sail is less efficient than a single 'sheet'. Thereβs always a compromise. But all in all Iβd prefere a junk rigged boat. I can think of two 'famous' single-handed circumnavigators who would agree.
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 16:01:20 GMT
Thereβs always a compromise. But all in all Iβd prefere a junk rigged boat. Β I can think of two 'famous' single-handed circumnavigators who would agree.Β I was crew on a 60ft steel junk around Thailand and Malaysia thatβs where I got to like them. Unfortunately that was nearly 35years ago.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 29, 2023 16:04:42 GMT
Funny that the Chinese came up with such a great system but failed to think of a keel...π’
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Post by β on Oct 29, 2023 16:15:26 GMT
There was a nice Junk rig yacht in 8mm ally I put on the interesting boats thread. Project boat. No shower in there. Nice item I reckon. I feel that in this day and age and with the money as mentioned in the OP by dogless one could simply go for electric if the intention was to conquer the oceans. And diesel. I don't understand the point of sailing. Maybe a couple of hundred yars ago but we are now in the 31st century. It seems a bit like not eating bacon because fridges have not yet been invented. Have you ever crossed an ocean under sail? No and I don't want to.
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Post by β on Oct 29, 2023 16:18:58 GMT
One thing I would do if available would be to cross the Atlantic on a coal burning liner.
That would be good.
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 16:20:04 GMT
Funny that the Chinese came up with such a great system but failed to think of a keel...π’ The main function of junks was trade, so I suppose they wanted to carry as much cargo as possible hence the hull shape. They did use lee boards though. So similar setup to sailing barges.
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 16:21:34 GMT
One thing I would do if available would be to cross the Atlantic on a coal burning liner. That would be good. You could go and buy more in Columbia.
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Post by β on Oct 29, 2023 16:23:17 GMT
I've got this which was part of an old relative's hat box. She was a well traveled old girl. She even went on Concorde in her 80s. Royal Mail Steam Packet Company from Liverpool. Hats lives matter.
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Post by β on Oct 29, 2023 16:27:59 GMT
One thing I would do if available would be to cross the Atlantic on a coal burning liner. That would be good. You could go and buy more in Columbia. I can get Columbian doubles and even trebles shipped directly from Wales or Ireland. Less than a pound a kilo if its ten bags. I fancy some trebles as the doubles seem a little small. Very Tempting !
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 16:30:29 GMT
You could go and buy more in Columbia. I can get Columbian doubles and even trebles shipped directly from Wales or Ireland. Less than a pound a kilo if its ten bags. I fancy some trebles as the doubles seem a little small. Very Tempting ! How much for 500kg?
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 29, 2023 16:40:18 GMT
Funny that the Chinese came up with such a great system but failed to think of a keel...π’ The main function of junks boats was trade, so I suppose they wanted to carry as much cargo as possible hence the hull shape. They did use lee boards though. So similar setup to sailing barges. ftfy
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Post by β on Oct 29, 2023 17:03:48 GMT
I can get Columbian doubles and even trebles shipped directly from Wales or Ireland. Less than a pound a kilo if its ten bags. I fancy some trebles as the doubles seem a little small. Very Tempting ! How much for 500kg? A bit less than Β£400. coalhut.com/colombian-group-2-coalOf course they might decline the order after you place it. The 20kg bag of columbian doubles I got was from Ireland and was Β£1.12 a kilo. Not cheap. I do wonder if they will actually ship a bulk order which is why I am tempted to find out.
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Post by kris on Oct 29, 2023 17:08:24 GMT
A bit less than Β£400. coalhut.com/colombian-group-2-coalOf course they might decline the order after you place it. The 20kg bag of columbian doubles I got was from Ireland and was Β£1.12 a kilo. Not cheap. I do wonder if they will actually ship a bulk order which is why I am tempted to find out. Thatβs interesting, I paid Β£300 for 500kg of excel but I hate smokeless, you have to mix it with wood to make a decent fire. I wonβt be buying any as I have smokeless now. Where I am moored at the min you can go and dig coal from an old pit.
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