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Post by quaysider on Nov 8, 2023 9:07:04 GMT
It's that time again - Ellis is due new batteries ( I accept I could/perhaps should be looking at better solutions)... 3 years hammering with punters is accectable and factored into my (pretend) business plan. My current set are these: www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/enduroline/exv135/They've been good enough and even this year when I've let them get down to below 50% soc, have ALWAYS given me enough oomph to keep the (mains powered large) fridge freezer going through my (never efficient but still working) 3kw photonic universe pure sign combi inverter. NOT being arsed to try and change the physical size of my battery storage area, I've been looking for same (physical sized) replacements that don't break the back or involve amendments to my KISS approach of the big alternator and solar panels. www.tayna.co.uk/leisure-batteries/enduroline/exv115c/I can't see WHY the first ones (exisiting ones) are so much dearer as the spec is the same - bar for the position of the terminals on the top AM I missing something or shall I just buy the 2nd lot ? Ginger of Stone.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 8, 2023 9:12:49 GMT
Have you asked Tayna?
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Post by quaysider on Nov 8, 2023 9:43:25 GMT
too logical - I don't even KNOW a Tanya... I know a Tracey... perhaps she'll know ?
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 8, 2023 9:48:17 GMT
They do both look the same quality. It’s a shame they don’t quote the weights because if the expensive one was heavier that would point to more lead, I suspect they are both the same cheap basic “leisure battery” which seem to have served you adequately. I’d get the cheaper one and expect to replace in 2 or 3 years. Well actually of course I wouldn’t buy either of them, but never mind!
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Post by Jim on Nov 8, 2023 9:53:24 GMT
why not get lifepos? More useable power for less space taken up. You are only using 50% at the moment. The price per useable ah isn't much different.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 8, 2023 9:57:41 GMT
They do both look the same quality. It’s a shame they don’t quote the weights because if the expensive one was heavier that would point to more lead, I suspect they are both the same cheap basic “leisure battery” which seem to have served you adequately. I’d get the cheaper one and expect to replace in 2 or 3 years. Well actually of course I wouldn’t buy either of them, but never mind! never mind the quality feel the weight guv
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 8, 2023 9:58:43 GMT
too logical - I don't even KNOW a Tanya... I know a Tracey... perhaps she'll know ? She's a showgirl. With yellow ribbons in her hair and a dress cut down to there innit.
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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2023 10:30:03 GMT
why not get lifepos? More useable power for less space taken up. You are only using 50% at the moment. The price per useable ah isn't much different. Because initially he would have to spend more. Not just on the batteries, but he charges from a large alternator. So would need an exspensive controller of some description. Do keep up jim.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 8, 2023 11:12:26 GMT
Telemachus started out with basic 105Ah flooded lead/calcium acid batteries, x4. They were pretty crap and the first set only lasted a year, although we did use them hard. I put the short life down to them being installed during the build (which took a year) and probably not kept charged. Second set wasn’t much better, lasted about 2 years.
So then I got Trojan T105s which were much better and didn’t require any charging system alterations. We had them for 7 years until I got the Li , and in fact are still reasonably ok, I have one pair in my caravan (shortly to be replaced by a Fogstar Li) now over 9 years old. Yes they are more expensive than basic flooded lead calcium, but massively better. I thought they were the D’s B’s until I saw the light and switched to Li.
Tayna are selling 4 x T105 Trojans giving 450Ah at 12v for £706. More expensive than cheapo lead calcium but massively better. Of course they are 6v cells so some minor re wiring and modification to battery box required. And they need watering every couple of months but that is an easy job as there are 1/2 as many cells and they have finger operated screw caps.
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Post by Telemachus on Nov 8, 2023 11:13:04 GMT
They do both look the same quality. It’s a shame they don’t quote the weights because if the expensive one was heavier that would point to more lead, I suspect they are both the same cheap basic “leisure battery” which seem to have served you adequately. I’d get the cheaper one and expect to replace in 2 or 3 years. Well actually of course I wouldn’t buy either of them, but never mind! never mind the quality feel the weight guv In the case of lead acid batteries, this is correct.
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Post by quaysider on Nov 8, 2023 11:20:27 GMT
I totally 'get' the idea of an increased capacity and better batteries... but Ellis IS still just a business so I rarely have the chance not to move for more than 1 day at a time so increased capacity is probably wasted atm. I have to run the engine to move circa 5 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 months. The idea of needing to top up batteries is just another job to add to my working day - I get fed up enough doing 5 services a year as it is. Fit and forget working out about 130 quid a year is ok for now.
After my 'year off in 2025', depending on what I decide to do with the remainder of my life, I'll probably pay more heed to improving my set up but for now, it's just a case of keeping the freezer going over night and having enough amps in reserve to use my bean to cup machine (for me) before the punters get up and Breakfast service begins.
I phoned Tayna up and the chap was quite open about the fact they are the same battery apart from the terminals - and as I've already got enough slack in my current cables AND have some 3 post battery terminal adaptors in my "box of bits and bobs" it's a 200 quid saving I'll put towards hotel bath nights I think.
AND I'll get 50 quid back from the scrap man for the old ones ... no brainer really.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 8, 2023 11:41:35 GMT
I rarely have the chance not to move for more than 1 day at a time so increased capacity is probably wasted atm. I have to run the engine to move circa 5 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 months. It's true enough that all these exotic systems are really only needed if the boat isn't cruised more-or-less every day.
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Post by kris on Nov 8, 2023 11:46:26 GMT
I rarely have the chance not to move for more than 1 day at a time so increased capacity is probably wasted atm. I have to run the engine to move circa 5 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 months. It's true enough that all these exotic systems are really only needed if the boat isn't cruised more-or-less every day. Lithium is really a game changer as regards livaboard. It would make long term sense in this case. But until you experience the difference, it’s difficult to justify the higher up front costs.
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Post by on Nov 8, 2023 11:51:55 GMT
If you can get '3 years hammering with punters' it seems a bargain depending on the condition and quality of the punters.
Not really worth changing in this scenario.
Is it pallets or just general carpentry? How about some screwing it is quieter.
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Post by Aloysius on Nov 8, 2023 11:56:21 GMT
the king of whack strikes again
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