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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 27, 2024 22:07:36 GMT
According to the comments Mr Hopes has made a formal complaint about the matter. Rog Just another nutter with a personal vendetta against CRT who doesn't care how much of our licence fee money he wastes.
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Post by dogless on Mar 27, 2024 22:14:24 GMT
I don't know about nutter, but I certainly don't think he's really got a valid complaint.
Rog
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Post by thebfg on Mar 28, 2024 7:18:39 GMT
uploadGot it ... hope it's readable Mr Stabby Do you think it's threatening ? Rog I'd have to say that doesn't come across to me as malevolent or threatening in any way at all. If the recipient had intended to deliberately obstruct a waterway and the authority in charge of the waterway became aware of that threat then I would expect them to issue words of advice to the person making the threat. The chap in question. Replied to a post about CRT not maintaining canals to the specified width. Some one posted that they could buy a boat that would fit but only to find it would get stuck in a lock. This chap just made a joke comment. CrT are basically saying to him. If you boat is under the width allowed on a canal but gets stuck it's his fault and his licence would be cancelled. It's not really on.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 28, 2024 7:20:34 GMT
The email is very passive aggressive. Talk about cancelling licences and injunctions because of CRT miss management and then sign it as best wishes.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2024 7:40:45 GMT
I'd have to say that doesn't come across to me as malevolent or threatening in any way at all. If the recipient had intended to deliberately obstruct a waterway and the authority in charge of the waterway became aware of that threat then I would expect them to issue words of advice to the person making the threat. The chap in question. Replied to a post about CRT not maintaining canals to the specified width. Some one posted that they could buy a boat that would fit but only to find it would get stuck in a lock. This chap just made a joke comment. CrT are basically saying to him. If you boat is under the width allowed on a canal but gets stuck it's his fault and his licence would be cancelled. It's not really on. At least someone can see the wood for the trees.
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2024 7:42:48 GMT
I think some people on this forum let their hatred of td colour their opinions about crt.
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Post by Andyberg on Mar 28, 2024 7:44:12 GMT
Just what has TD got to do with the subject of this thread? 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by on Mar 28, 2024 7:53:48 GMT
All very silly.
I paid my first bill to BW in April 1994 and my last to the CRT in March 2024.
Bye bye ditches. Quite a momentous time actually.
The canal system is turning into a slum fast.
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Post by dogless on Mar 28, 2024 8:13:35 GMT
I think some people on this forum let their hatred of td colour their opinions about crt. kris you should try and understand that because we don't agree on a specific point doesn't make us sworn enemies. thebfg sees the e mail as threatening too, you're not alone. I still don't see it as anymore threatening than the DVLA leaflets about cars being seized and crushed if not taxed that come in their mail ... in fact less so, as the e mail was polite and personalised. I still think it was foolish to talk about blocking a waterway on a public forum. Rog
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Post by on Mar 28, 2024 8:15:29 GMT
Its not balf as threatening as the tv licence letters I got sent when I have no telly and do not watch iplayer.
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Post by on Mar 28, 2024 8:17:34 GMT
Ita probably good that the email from the CRT was published because someone, or a group, might actually think deliberately wedging a Boat into a lock would be a good protest.
The CRT must have a zero tolerance policy on this sort of trouble.
I personally think that severe problems are around the corner for the CRT.
What you really don't need is customers who take the piss too much. Get rid of these ones.
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Post by dogless on Mar 28, 2024 8:28:34 GMT
The email is very passive aggressive. Talk about cancelling licences and injunctions because of CRT miss management and then sign it as best wishes. Interesting we see it so differently. Can I ask you, as kris hasn't answered, what would you have done ? The guy said on Facebook he was going to block a waterway as a protest ... you say jokingly but he doesn't mention it being a joke. It was brought to C&RT attention, so someone else wasn't certain it wasn't a joke. They sent the guy a private email mail as he was a licence holder, reminding him of the consequences, which the guy decided to publish. What should C&RT have done ? How is the action threatening ? Rog
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Post by kris on Mar 28, 2024 9:48:18 GMT
CBA
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Mar 28, 2024 14:58:32 GMT
www.facebook.com/groups/londonboaters/permalink/10159408598036286/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6vIt's good that this group is able to see the C&RT for what it really is - a useless mismanaged shambles that lost its way from the day it came into being - but it's not so good that their actions and reactions are all so badly misdirected.
The C&RT is a private limited company that, having been given the responsibility for running and maintaining a publicly owned historic national asset, is leaving that historic national asset to fall apart to the extent that it no longer functions reliably or properly, . . as the useable inter-connected system of navigations it used to be before the days of the so-called Canal & River Trust.
Meantime, the senior management of this private limited company, from the CEO down, concentrates solely on managerial empire building, by creating vast numbers of utterly pointless new administrative jobs and positions for more office chair polishers, none of whom make any useful contribution whatsoever to the running and maintaining of our inland waterways.
The largely useless, and sometimes thoroughly dishonest contractors that have replaced all but a very few of the directly employed operating and maintenance staff that the C&RT inherited from British Waterways, do very nicely out of this crackpot regime, . . generally using plant, equipment and maintenance craft that the C&RT management have sold off to them for a tiny fraction of their true value.
It's quite pointless to target relatively lowly C&RT minions such as that arsehole Simon Cadek, Licence Support Supervisor for London Central & East . All available time, effort, and resources should be focussed on the conduct and actions of C&RT's corrupt and useless senior management, and on the crooked contractors, and the bent lawyers with which the corrupt and useless senior management has such a cosy and costly relationship.
Remove these people and their malign influence from OUR waterways, . . and the money C&RT does have to spend could then be channelled into running and maintaining the C&RT controlled inland waterways, . . instead of going into the corrupt management's, crooked contractor's, and bent lawyer's pockets, . . and into the pointless non-productive managerial empire building that has typified C&RT's administration since inception in 2012
One notable example of sort of thing that deserves some long overdue special attention from inland waterways pressure groups is the national pseudo-legal, and now highly organised, boat stealing operation that C&RT, along with its crooked contractors, Commercial Boat Services, has expanded and perfected since C&RT came into being in 2012. The total annual cost of this would go a long way towards covering the cost of a sizeable proportion of the maintenance that, under Parry's incompetent and discredited overall management, IS NOT getting done.
C&RT has become a national sick joke - it's not doing what it was created to do - and if our inland waterways are to survive as useable navigations, it MUST be turned back into something that at least bears a passing resemblance to a navigation authority. That process has to start somewhere, . . and as good a place as any to start would be with C&RT's profligate and wholly ineffective senior management, from the chief empire builders, CEO Richard Parry, and Company Secretary/Head of Legal & Governance Services, Tom Deards, . . down through specimens such as Aymes, Symonds, and Barry.
The following brief outline of the way C&RT's boat stealing scam operates is not meant as one possible suggested cure-all for everything that's wrong at C&RT, . . and should not be seen as such, . . but the total annual cost of C&RT's squads of 'Enforcement Teams', the huge number of lawyers who make up its Legal & Governance Services, and its massively expensive 'boat removal' contractors, all add up a major item in terms of misspent money, . . and it's that money the NBTA, and anyone else who wants to continue boating on our inland waterways, should be directing their efforts and energy towards getting spent on maintenance, . . instead of on corrupt senior management and crooked contractor pocket-lining.
_______________________________________________________________ From their unprofessional conduct, to their ingrained dishonesty, and their general lack of moral decency, C&RT's corrupt management and its crooked lawyers have a great deal in common with the corrupt management and crooked lawyers at the Post Office, . . the dishonest so-called professionals who, between themselves and the blinkered Court system, have been the architects of the most serious miscarriage of justice in British legal history. At the time of the original prosecutions, and during the ongoing inquiry into the Post Office's wrongful prosecutions brought against so many hundreds of Sub-postmasters, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the Post Office's corrupt management, and its crooked lawyers, have been wilfully lying to and misleading the Courts for a great many years with their concocted evidence and intentionally evasive testimony. Why is it so difficult for so many people to believe that C&RT's professional liars - its senior management and its bent lawyers - wouldn't be capable of doing, or haven't already done, something remarkably similar to what the Post Office managers and lawyers did, and in some cases still are doing, to all those Sub-Postmasters through the Courts. Well, that's just what C&RT's professional liars have done, . . to the hundreds of boat owners who have, in effect, had their boats, homes, and personal goods and belongings stolen from them by means of a well rehearsed pseudo-legal sham, with the outward appearance of a correct and properly conducted legal process, but in truth entails lying to and deceiving everyone, from, firstly and most importantly, the Courts, . . then the Police, . . and finally the owner or occupier of the boat in question. Since its formal beginning in July 2012 the C&RT has dishonestly obtained huge numbers of what are technically (in Law) worthless Court Orders that have then been used by C&RT staff and contractors committing the serious criminal offence of impersonating bona fide Officers of the Court (formerly known as Bailiffs) and calling themselves 'Enforcement Officers', unlawfully to evict people from their boats, . . then unlawfully to seize their boats (usually complete with all contents, personal belongings, tools, goods etc.), . . then finally, and again unlawfully, . . craned out of the C&RT controlled or managed inland waterway, and transported, from wherever in England or Wales it might happen to be, by road, to storage on farm land near Chester. The storage land at the farm near Chester, where all these so-called 'removed' Section 8 boats are taken, is owned by one Brian Clarke, the crooked Managing Director and owner of a company called Commercial Boat Services [CBS]. It is CBS that provides C&RT with the phoney 'Enforcement Officers', . . the ones who lie to and deceive the Police, so that they, . . the phoney 'Enforcement Officers', are then left free to intimidate and forcibly evict boat owners from their boats and homes. CBS also arranges and invoices C&RT for the cranes and the road transport to take the unlawfully 'seized' so-called 'removed Section 8 boats' to Brian Clarke's farm near Chester, . . where the expensive storage for all of them is paid for, weekly, by C&RT. Brian Clarke, and his distinctly dubious company, make a powerful lot of money out of stealing people's boats on behalf of the C&RT, . . and the net benefit to the waterways, and to the boat owners who use those waterways, is a big fat zero.
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Post by thebfg on Mar 28, 2024 15:04:21 GMT
The email is very passive aggressive. Talk about cancelling licences and injunctions because of CRT miss management and then sign it as best wishes. Interesting we see it so differently. Can I ask you, as kris hasn't answered, what would you have done ? The guy said on Facebook he was going to block a waterway as a protest ... you say jokingly but he doesn't mention it being a joke. It was brought to C&RT attention, so someone else wasn't certain it wasn't a joke. They sent the guy a private email mail as he was a licence holder, reminding him of the consequences, which the guy decided to publish. What should C&RT have done ? How is the action threatening ? Rog If we find that you are in breach of this condition you are at risk of your boat licence being terminated for breach of the Conditions. "to take further action, which may include issuing an injunction against you" We trust that this will not be necessary and that no further action will be needed. There's the two "further actions" that they threaten to take if necessary. P.s I'm not the one that claims it was threatening. Just passive aggressive. Don't forget. The boat described was built for the waterways and should fit.
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