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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 17:36:17 GMT
To be fair knipex tools are good shit. Whether or not it is made in china originally doesn't make that much difference. Chinese manufacturers are just as capable of making good shit as any western manufacturer. Its just at this point in the history of consumer products china is seen as producing poor quality shit due to the huge volume of production and the lack of filtering by consumers (poundland syndrome) causing people to buy cheap shit thinking it might be good.
After a while made in china gear will be a Good Thing like made in Japan is now.
I heard that apple inc were considering shifting production of their rubbish equipment to the USA in order to attempt to make it look like its worth having. Probably due to the rise of far east competitors. Don't know if they will do it or just concentrate on driverless cars now.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 14, 2016 18:53:42 GMT
To be fair knipex tools are good shit. Whether or not it is made in china originally doesn't make that much difference. Chinese manufacturers are just as capable of making good shit as any western manufacturer. Its just at this point in the history of consumer products china is seen as producing poor quality shit due to the huge volume of production and the lack of filtering by consumers (poundland syndrome) causing people to buy cheap shit thinking it might be good. After a while made in china gear will be a Good Thing like made in Japan is now. I heard that apple inc were considering shifting production of their rubbish equipment to the USA in order to attempt to make it look like its worth having. Probably due to the rise of far east competitors. Don't know if they will do it or just concentrate on driverless cars now.They may move their production to the US but almost all (or only 99%) of the components are still coming from the far east, and mainly China.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 18:55:36 GMT
That's what I said
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:05:25 GMT
Here's a quality Welsh tool maker of old. news.bbc.co.uk/local/midwales/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8543000/8543949.stmI have some EL steel wire rope cutters and some eye wateringly expensive EL Ford shim removal pliers - it's a special service tool that came with a cranked lever to compress the buckets/valves on Ford 1.6/1.8 diesels. I used to do a lot of work on those engines, bad starting was often caused by wide valve clearances, jamming screwdrivers between the cam and bucket was a nightmare of a job. I could shim one in half hour flat with that tool. Both sets of tools are top notch compared to the common or garden shite widely available!
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Post by JohnV on Dec 14, 2016 19:08:22 GMT
I suspect that the people commenting about my crimper possibly didn't read the sizes it would crimp .... or possibly 630 mm2 doesn't register
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:11:05 GMT
I suspect that the people commenting about my crimper possibly didn't read the sizes it would crimp .... or possibly 630 mm2 doesn't register I did, I've just dragged 75m of 4 core 16mm SWA 6m up in the air around our factory. Bugger wrestling with 630mm cables
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Post by JohnV on Dec 14, 2016 19:17:01 GMT
sod 630mm multicore ....... the singles are bad enough
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Post by kris on Dec 14, 2016 19:20:59 GMT
I suspect that the people commenting about my crimper possibly didn't read the sizes it would crimp .... or possibly 630 mm2 doesn't register just ignore them John, they are only trying to wind you up. I'm sure your crimpers are very good. I just don't want to spend that much to make up some leads.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:24:59 GMT
Is it worth getting your own crimper for battery leads?
I have never actually done the maths and I am all for diy on these things but there must be a point at which it would be cheaper just to get ready made cables.
As I say I don't know where this point would be and the other side of it is do you trust other peoples crimping.
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Post by kris on Dec 14, 2016 19:27:09 GMT
Is it worth getting your own crimper for battery leads? I have never actually done the maths and I am all for diy on these things but there must be a point at which it would be cheaper just to get ready made cables. As I say I don't know where this point would be and the other side of it is do you trust other peoples crimping. not if you've already got the lugs and cable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:27:41 GMT
Is it worth getting your own crimper for battery leads? I have never actually done the maths and I am all for diy on these things but there must be a point at which it would be cheaper just to get ready made cables. As I say I don't know where this point would be and the other side of it is do you trust other peoples crimping. You can make them to length on the boat without dicking about measuring, emailing, paying over the odds and then waiting for postie. I've lent mine to my mate and my boss, 3 projects done and dusted for next to no money
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:30:43 GMT
Is it worth getting your own crimper for battery leads? I have never actually done the maths and I am all for diy on these things but there must be a point at which it would be cheaper just to get ready made cables. As I say I don't know where this point would be and the other side of it is do you trust other peoples crimping. not if you've already got the lugs and cable. Work provided my cable and lugs so essentially it was cheaper to buy the crimper!
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Post by JohnV on Dec 14, 2016 19:34:34 GMT
To be honest the price of that cheap crimper (which goes up to 70mm2) makes buying the tool an attractive proposition as it is surprising how many crimps are needed for even a small installation. if you need to make them up with bigger cables, then some wholesalers and some hire shops do hire big crimp tools.
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Post by tonyt on Dec 14, 2016 20:04:01 GMT
CRIMPSI've been using one similar to the one in the Amazon link today but branded by SWA. I have been doing 50mm and 35mm cables it it did a really good job. The lugs I was replacing looked like they had been put on in a vice by the previous owner shown in pictures. Less to go wrong with these than the cheap Hydraulic ones. At 10.99 they are a bargain. I know what I would be buying if I didn't already have one.
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Post by smileypete on Dec 15, 2016 0:53:15 GMT
CRIMPSI've been using one similar to the one in the Amazon link today but branded by SWA. I have been doing 50mm and 35mm cables it it did a really good job. The lugs I was replacing looked like they had been put on in a vice by the previous owner shown in pictures. Less to go wrong with these than the cheap Hydraulic ones. At 10.99 they are a bargain. I know what I would be buying if I didn't already have one. Yeah it looks pretty similar to the much more expensive branded ones so hopefully it's made in the same factory, gets some decent reviews anyway. While googling for crimping stuff I came across this FAQ which is handy as some cheaper crimpers can be a bit hit-and-miss: www.temcoindustrial.com/product-guides/tools/crimping-tool-selection-guide.htmlFor the odd one off 70mm 2+ cable, you could always be a heretic and solder them, but mention soldering on CWDF and this happens: These look like a neat idea:
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