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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
Anyway, that's the first notice I've ever had, and I am deeply pissed off at my unblemished record being tarred in such stupid circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:48:23 GMT
What sort of ice thickness would you call "impossible to navigate?"
Its not a windup I am genuinely interested. Some people would baulk at the idea of half an inch but others would give it there best shot and go for considerably thicker. Obviously it does depend on boat bow shape but assuming a normal modern type narrow or wide beam vessel.
Another consideration is other boats which may be affected by ice being rammed against them. Specially old wooden boats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:53:05 GMT
I think breaking ice is a topic which has changed over the years and people in boats which are moored seem to have a different attitude to it regardless of whether it is likely to damage their boats.
OK it might scratch the bitumen but "I'm afraid this is as good as it gets - if you don't like it get a caravan and it won't happen" comes to mind !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:53:14 GMT
Sickening isn't it. Felt the same when I got texts for over staying on the Mac last year, even though I hadn't and could prove it. I also insisted on an e mail acknowlegment of their error. I don't want 'over stayer' on my file...especially when I haven't. But I'm certain it's accidental incompetence, rather than anything malicious or malign. Coupled with, of course, a total lack of understanding of, or empathy for winter liveaboard boating. Hope you get your e mail response. I badgered them by phone and e mail every day till I did Good luck Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:55:30 GMT
I think breaking ice is a topic which has changed over the years and people in boats which are moored seem to have a different attitude to it regardless of whether it is likely to damage their boats. OK it might scratch the bitumen but "I'm afraid this is as good as it gets - if you don't like it get a caravan and it won't happen" comes to mind ! Have you tried mooring when the ice is thick? Have you tried steering on bends when the ice is thick? It's got nothing to do with blacking. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:56:29 GMT
Years ago (about 20) I was very impressed when the old boatman Ernie Kendal smashed through ice which must have been about an inch thick near Braunston on a restaurant narrow boat called "Bracken". I was moored near Wolfgampcote. He had a load of customers eating their lunch on the boat as it lurched and crunched its way through the ice. It was an impressive sight to watch. I hate the idea of ice breaking becoming frowned upon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:57:48 GMT
I think breaking ice is a topic which has changed over the years and people in boats which are moored seem to have a different attitude to it regardless of whether it is likely to damage their boats. OK it might scratch the bitumen but "I'm afraid this is as good as it gets - if you don't like it get a caravan and it won't happen" comes to mind ! Have you tried mooring when the ice is thick? Have you tried steering on bends when the ice is thick? It's got nothing to do with blacking. Rog Yes both but I have not really gone for proper thick stuff. I know its awkward but I don't think other people's attitude (moored boats) should prevent people from doing it if they want to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:00:32 GMT
What sort of ice thickness would you call "impossible to navigate?" Its not a windup I am genuinely interested. Some people would baulk at the idea of half an inch but others would give it there best shot and go for considerably thicker. Obviously it does depend on boat bow shape but assuming a normal modern type narrow or wide beam vessel. Another consideration is other boats which may be affected by ice being rammed against them. Specially old wooden boats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:02:05 GMT
I was chatting to a guy this very day, who cruised from Napton to Fenny Compton during the freeze last weekend.
He got stuck several times on the many bends, because of the ice seriously affecting steering, coupled with the canal being desperately shallow. He commented that he'll not do that again.
That's without consideration of working around frozen locks, and towpaths.
Rog
ETA and the ice was only quarter to half inch thick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:02:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:05:47 GMT
Got a quick reply, but I may have to contact them again and suggest the informant of the circumstances undergoes some training.
"Hello
Thank you for your e-mail and the photos.
As you will appreciate, I am in an office and have to rely on the information I am given. I spoke to the Data Collector this morning and he said that he had put the sightings in as overstaying as he believed that the ice was broken up and he saw boats moving. I do not believe he was being ‘flippant’ but did what he thought was correct.
I am happy to remove the message from your boat record (and did so after we spoke earlier) as we do not want boats to move if it is dangerous or likely to cause problems for themselves or other boaters. This is why we invite boaters to contact us if we get it wrong.
Hopefully the conditions have improved since Saturday and it will be a lot easier to move about now.
Regards, ------"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:06:08 GMT
A continuous cruisers wet dream?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:09:36 GMT
Ricky is a cold spot. I lived at Bitchworth for a few years on the towpath moorings in the early 00s. I found the observers book of weather inna cherry tea shop and it actually mentioned rickmansworth as being unusually cold with its own microclimate of sorts. Maybe its because of all the rivers and lakes.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 30, 2017 17:09:58 GMT
Name that Data Collector!
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 30, 2017 17:10:19 GMT
What it's symptomatic of is the wish to prod boater with a sharp stick as policy. If any thin reason exists -prod.
The question is why? There's nothing to gain!
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