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Post by thebfg on Apr 7, 2017 9:55:07 GMT
what a load of hot air. if a parent decides to take his kids out of school he knows it is likely to attract a fixed penalty, a bit like parking on a yellow line. get on with it, pay the penalty, save £1000 on the cost of the holiday and have a good time. I hope the legal costs of the various courts involved in this process will be footed by the parents involved. To be honest he did win at the high court. Which suggests he had a pretty sound argument, it seems the council appealed and went in all guns blazing as it wasent a case they wanted to lose. He's from down here and has had quite a lot of publicity in the local rags. As it's the supreme high court they have clarified what the wording of the law means and that regularly attending school means every day whenever the school demands, 100%. It's a shame as they said his reason was not enough, it would of been better to see the outcome of we had a real proper reason for the absence. Which seems at odds with the guidelines. But hey ho. He says he will continue to plead non guilty when it's returned back to the mag court. Which will give a number bigger sentence, I hope he's got a good plan. In 2015, out of 19000 cases 8 went to imediate custodial sentences. I would say he might add to this year's figures. The two-year legal battle is said to have cost him around £12,000, raised from savings, crowdfunding and legal aid. Makes me laugh as when he won the local comments section went into frenzy mode with people saying it sets a free for all. Had some cracking debates. Well arguments trying to explain that they would have to wait for the appeal for that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 11:18:23 GMT
How can anyone truly argue that a child under 14years missing a week or two at school, as a one off, will suffer significant detriment to it's education?
Once again the 'soft easy targets' suffer the consequence of action initially aimed at those who never or rarely attend school.
I'd be intrigued to know how many school days are lost by schools being arbitrarily closed due to bad weather, faulty plumbing, shortage of staff, polling days, industrial action etc etc.
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Post by thebfg on Apr 7, 2017 13:15:28 GMT
How can anyone truly argue that a child under 14years missing a week or two at school, as a one off, will suffer significant detriment to it's education? Once again the 'soft easy targets' suffer the consequence of action initially aimed at those who never or rarely attend school. I'd be intrigued to know how many school days are lost by schools being arbitrarily closed due to bad weather, faulty plumbing, shortage of staff, polling days, industrial action etc etc. Rog [ I whole heartedly agree, we once had a pre school refuse a days absence and an infant school has threatened to fine us. Even though they have 98 -100 % attendance. Really, do they seriously believe a missed day at preschool is going to ruin their chances at the gcses. And then the little one was sick the night before last. So she's not allowed to go to infant school today. I wouldn't mind but I was on nights last night and have now been up 31 hours. But surely she won't make collage now having missed two days. The worst bit is she caught a bug at school apparently there are 12 kids off with the same bug.
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Post by Trina on Apr 7, 2017 15:02:18 GMT
This amused me -child off school sick,parent phoned & said she had a really nasty stomach upset.Following Monday,she turned up with a fantastic tan & Spanish sweeties for her mates...😄
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 7, 2017 15:16:53 GMT
As long as kids are getting good results from their studies, then I see no reason why schools shouldn't be flexible. Extra homework can be given, so that catching up can be done. In Finland schools do seem to be accommodating in this way, however, many Finns do take the piss and turn every Friday into a 'sick day' just so they can have a 3-day weekend.
I once had a job in England where, once we had got the work done, we could go home, so we tore into it, made good results, and got home a couple of hours earlier rather than just hanging about at the end of the day. Everyone is happy, what's wrong with that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 15:27:00 GMT
How can anyone truly argue that a child under 14years missing a week or two at school, as a one off, will suffer significant detriment to it's education? Once again the 'soft easy targets' suffer the consequence of action initially aimed at those who never or rarely attend school. I'd be intrigued to know how many school days are lost by schools being arbitrarily closed due to bad weather, faulty plumbing, shortage of staff, polling days, industrial action etc etc. Rog you can include Eid al Adha and Eid al Fitr in school closures in some places.
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Post by naughtyfox on Apr 7, 2017 15:32:43 GMT
I hate schools. We've opted for home education for our kids (5 and 7). Did try state system but not for us. The geyser at the centre of this case suggested there would be a spike of people taking kids out of school for home education if he lost. That sounds like an awful lot of work, and how does it work? Is there a curriculum / schedule of what you have to teach, and are there exams to prove you have achieved what's recommended? The drawback, I'd say, is that kids educated at home don't get to mix with the other kids. An advantage is that they may not get beaten up, but that's all part of life's experiences, how to avoid getting thrashed in the playground. I've said before, without any evidence, that I have the feeling that kids brought up on boats probably turn out to be 'all right'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 15:43:11 GMT
You don't have to follow the curriculum no. Obviously socialising is one aspect but not necessarily the most important thing to all people. I only know a couple of adults who were home educated. One is a doctor the other is a lesbian.
I'd be happy with either of these outcomes for my daughters (giggle)
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Post by Stumpy on Apr 7, 2017 16:28:14 GMT
You don't have to follow the curriculum no. Obviously socialising is one aspect but not necessarily the most important thing to all people. I only know a couple of adults who were home educated. One is a doctor the other is a lesbian. I'd be happy with either of these outcomes for my daughters (giggle) Specialising in gynaecology??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 16:35:25 GMT
Would seem quite appropriate. I admit to being a little disturbed by male gynaes !
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 7, 2017 16:49:15 GMT
A couple of times when my twins were younger we took them on half-term holidays which meant missing the first day back at school but I reckon they learned more in, say, a week touring round Morocco in a rental car than a day spent country dancing and finger painting.
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Post by patty on Apr 7, 2017 18:38:43 GMT
When I was 5 I missed a whole term off school with pneumonia..nearly met my maker..anyway I didn't lose out educationally, I was still on a level with little sis and made it through to High school.
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Post by bodger on Apr 7, 2017 21:02:32 GMT
I once had a job in England where, once we had got the work done, we could go home, so we tore into it, made good results, and got home a couple of hours earlier rather than just hanging about at the end of the day. why don't you drive your bus like that? apart from easing your workload it would make a nice change if the bus was always (very) early. go on, foxy, get behind the wheel and TEAR INTO IT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
I'm 100% behind the supreme court's decision that cheaper holidays aren't a valid reason for taking kids out of school during term time. I'll go further actually. The fact that the matter even reached court is a clear sign how the policies of successive governments have empowered parents to such an extent that their they believe their 'rights' to save money override the education of their children. Personally I'd welcome a test case where said parents go to prison for a couple of days. Just to set things straight. What's your view? My view is that you have no idea what you are talking about. if I child has a good attendance record then taking them out for a week or so is fair play. We did it and our kids suffered no harm educationally. i am fully behind the guy.
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Post by bodger on Apr 7, 2017 22:17:33 GMT
whatever happened to excellence? today we are being told that 'more then 90%' is a good attendance record. in my experience at grammar school anything less than about 98% would have been questioned. in a class of 30, 90% would mean on average 3 children were absent, which would have been considered most unusual.
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