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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 6, 2017 22:26:44 GMT
I'm 100% behind the supreme court's decision that cheaper holidays aren't a valid reason for taking kids out of school during term time.
I'll go further actually. The fact that the matter even reached court is a clear sign how the policies of successive governments have empowered parents to such an extent that their they believe their 'rights' to save money override the education of their children.
Personally I'd welcome a test case where said parents go to prison for a couple of days. Just to set things straight.
What's your view?
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Post by Saltysplash on Apr 6, 2017 22:42:19 GMT
Kids break up on a friday for easter for a couple of weeks, You'd expect them to go back on a monday bright and early, No, they go back on a wednesday due to something called teacher training/inset days whatever that means.
School is also closed when ever its being used as a polling station.....dont mention being closed due to bad weather.
My point would be, if a child has over a 90% attendence record, what possible harm could a week or a few days during term cost them......i'm talking Primary/Junior school.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 6, 2017 22:50:13 GMT
I'm 100% behind the supreme court's decision that cheaper holidays aren't a valid reason for taking kids out of school during term time. I'll go further actually. The fact that the matter even reached court is a clear sign how the policies of successive governments have empowered parents to such an extent that their they believe their 'rights' to save money override the education of their children. Personally I'd welcome a test case where said parents go to prison for a couple of days. Just to set things straight. What's your view? It seems the guy took his kids out of school for a mamoth family gathering holiday. Some of the kids in the family group were on school holiday, some weren't, due to the variations in school holiday timings. The problem here is the meeting of an intransigent school head, with an intransigent parent. Fault on both sides that has escalated this into a national issue, no doubt costing the tax payer lots of money, for no real gain. Both sides need a good slapping. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 22:56:48 GMT
I'm 100% behind the supreme court's decision that cheaper holidays aren't a valid reason for taking kids out of school during term time. I'll go further actually. The fact that the matter even reached court is a clear sign how the policies of successive governments have empowered parents to such an extent that their they believe their 'rights' to save money override the education of their children. Personally I'd welcome a test case where said parents go to prison for a couple of days. Just to set things straight. What's your view? So, the 'government' and the lawyers know better than parents. After all, all parents are thick along with everyone who voted out of the EU, right Ricco? It's yet another example of the control freakery and media spin we have to put up with every day. Well that's if you are as daft as me and listen to this shit.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 23:00:32 GMT
I'm 100% behind the supreme court's decision that cheaper holidays aren't a valid reason for taking kids out of school during term time. I'll go further actually. The fact that the matter even reached court is a clear sign how the policies of successive governments have empowered parents to such an extent that their they believe their 'rights' to save money override the education of their children. Personally I'd welcome a test case where said parents go to prison for a couple of days. Just to set things straight. What's your view? It seems the guy took his kids out of school for a mamoth family gathering holiday. Some of the kids in the family group were on school holiday, some weren't, due to the variations in school holiday timings. The problem here is the meeting of an intransigent school head, with an intransigent parent. Fault on both sides that has escalated this into a national issue, no doubt costing the tax payer lots of money, for no real gain. Both sides need a good slapping. No better distraction from the real issues though. Children being used as political pawns, how low can you get? Ah Syria, now that's worse... |
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Post by thebfg on Apr 7, 2017 3:36:10 GMT
We are taking our two out two weeks before the October half term for 6 days.
My niece is getting married. Problem is she lives in Aya nappa.
They have never had a proper beach holiday abroad so were going for the week.
School said they will probably refuse it. They then mention that that is probably as far as it would go.
If we go the kids have to come as Well. They have always had 99% attendance so they won't worry too much.
We're going anyway the villa is booked and paid. Will be interesting what the school do.
We have historically gone away the last week of summer term. Never had an issue until one year the head teacher said we can't do it. Went anyway. She said we would be fined. She left the school that summer and we heard nothing. It was a shot school so we moved them to another anyway.
We never went that week because of the price, we would go to hayle/ st Ives because if you went a week later it would be packed with traffic anywhere yet the previous week there would be hardly anyone around.
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Post by quaysider on Apr 7, 2017 5:49:59 GMT
Whilst I agree school attendance IS important... I very much doubt a couple of weeks off a year will do anyone much harm. Lets face it 'mummy my throat hurts' and 'mummy I feel sick' has always given kids the chance to add in a few extra days holiday a year anyway.... NOT to mention the fact that some schools (at least in my day) would arrange skiing holidays or trips to france in term time for those who's parents could afford to pay anyway.
Both sides need a kick up the arse and a bit more common sense applying.
I had to take a couple of months out of school in my 4th year to work along side my father who (self employed mechanic) when he broke his thumb or they couldn't have paid the mortgage... I very much doubt I suffered too much - in fact, being a ginner - having 2 months away from the gingerist twats at school probably did me good!
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Post by patty on Apr 7, 2017 6:34:53 GMT
If 'school trips' were also scheduled for school holidays then perhaps I would agree with this policy...
I think has to be on an individual basis..
when mine were young ex was in the military and if we waited until school hols then chances were he'd be away somewhere..months long deployment on submarines and once 9 months away on a ship. We didn't have many holidays anyway..so stressful as they involved going to wherever his job happened to be..Faselane/Plymouth.
My eldest had the opportunity for a filming job and we had 2 wonderful weeks off in term time and he also did a theatre run at Northampton which involved disrupted schooling for 2 months...one month rehearsals and the other whilst the play was on.
What is needed is common sense....if dad is in the forces or works abroad or similar then bit of compassion called for...
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 7, 2017 6:39:25 GMT
Problem is that many employers dictate when an employee can and cannot take annual leave as they can only have so many people absent at the same time, meaning that for many people, it becomes impossible to have a family holiday during school holiday time. So the choice is never to have a family holiday, or to have one when the parent's employer will allow it.
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Post by JohnV on Apr 7, 2017 6:44:40 GMT
I remember talking to my sister (ex deputy head at a girls high school) about this subject a few years ago. Her take was that most of the time, a short absence made little or no difference and was fine ...... but there always was some that took the proverbial. I am convinced that years ago, common sense was more common  |
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Post by Andyberg on Apr 7, 2017 6:49:03 GMT
I am convinced that years ago, common sense was more common That sentence really says it all!! |
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Post by thebfg on Apr 7, 2017 6:56:41 GMT
Problem is that many employers dictate when an employee can and cannot take annual leave as they can only have so many people absent at the same time, meaning that for many people, it becomes impossible to have a family holiday during school holiday time. So the choice is never to have a family holiday, or to have one when the parent's employer will allow it. A couple of years ago at the beginning of the year some of my colleagues all out in holiday for the following summer. None of them had kids but meant I had no time off in the summer holidays. It's hard just getting childcare let alone trying to go on holiday as well. Bang out of order it was. I took them term time. As they need a family holiday as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 7:12:47 GMT
I hate schools.
We've opted for home education for our kids (5 and 7). Did try state system but not for us.
The geyser at the centre of this case suggested there would be a spike of people taking kids out of school for home education if he lost.
Don't know about that really.
It was incredibly obvious he would lose I don't know if he thought he might win but if he did believe that then he must be rather dim.
I don't really see the harm but I think there is a bigger picture than one or two kids missing from class now and then.
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Post by bodger on Apr 7, 2017 7:52:26 GMT
what a load of hot air.
if a parent decides to take his kids out of school he knows it is likely to attract a fixed penalty, a bit like parking on a yellow line.
get on with it, pay the penalty, save £1000 on the cost of the holiday and have a good time.
I hope the legal costs of the various courts involved in this process will be footed by the parents involved.
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Post by Gone on Apr 7, 2017 8:53:21 GMT
There is a big difference in impact for a child between a child taking a week or two off or the whole class for a trip or school holiday etc.
A single child will be left behind as the class will continue on their various courses. For a school trip the teachers if they are any good will have factored that in to their course planning to ensure everything is ready for the exams. That said I am sure some/many parents are capable of helping their children catch up, but some will not bother as that is the 'schools job'. So could a school Head without challenge say to one family "ok as you will help your child catch-up" and to another family, "No, as you will not help them catch-up".
As my Dad used to tell me when I was much younger, the country would be a lot better if instead of everyone shouting about their rights their took their responsibilities seriously.
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