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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:00:47 GMT
Jenlyn The second you start your insults it becomes patently obvious that you don't have an argument With respect John I believe we do have an argument but the first thing you have to accept is that it is not the major problem you make it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:01:25 GMT
There are none so blind as those who will not see. I agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:01:31 GMT
Jenlyn The second you start your insults it becomes patently obvious that you don't have an argument Not at all old chap. If your going to talk crap, I am going to give crap back. One can't have Muppets wandering across the internet murmuring rubbish and getting away with it, and who told you to speak?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:04:56 GMT
There's no need to go into detail about one's medical condition. Show evidence of appointments with the GP or hospital. If you're ill, you have every reason to stay put. The EO and CRT are not qualified in medical matters. So, if CRT think you're swinging lead, give them your GP's number and let them argue the point with the medics. Not saying boaters should take the mickey, but how much medical information do you think CRT should have.
Wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler for CRT to just devise a form that boaters could print and take to their doctor for the doctor to sign? From a disinterested third party perspective, this sounds like a problem that doesn't need to be. Boaters should be able to simply advise CRT that they will be overstaying because of medical reasons. Although this is their express right, CRT needs to be notified so that local EO can be notified so that everyone can live in harmony. Preliminarily, CRT should accept the word of the boater and require no proof. If it starts to appear to CRT that there may be abuse, they could supply a simple form for a doctor to sign, with the boater still given the benefit of the doubt. If it appears that someone is taking the piss, further proof could be required. I'm just guessing that the number of "users" in a well-run system would be numbers far less than hundreds annually, with abusers a small percentage of that. This just seems like a problem that need not exist, and a problem where a solution could encompass all points of view. JMHO That, is an absolutely simple yet excellent suggestion, and proves that forums like this have value.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:10:16 GMT
There's no need to go into detail about one's medical condition. Show evidence of appointments with the GP or hospital. If you're ill, you have every reason to stay put. The EO and CRT are not qualified in medical matters. So, if CRT think you're swinging lead, give them your GP's number and let them argue the point with the medics. Not saying boaters should take the mickey, but how much medical information do you think CRT should have.
Wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler for CRT to just devise a form that boaters could print and take to their doctor for the doctor to sign? From a disinterested third party perspective, this sounds like a problem that doesn't need to be. Boaters should be able to simply advise CRT that they will be overstaying because of medical reasons. Although this is their express right, CRT needs to be notified so that local EO can be notified so that everyone can live in harmony. Preliminarily, CRT should accept the word of the boater and require no proof. If it starts to appear to CRT that there may be abuse, they could supply a simple form for a doctor to sign, with the boater still given the benefit of the doubt. If it appears that someone is taking the piss, further proof could be required. I'm just guessing that the number of "users" in a well-run system would be numbers far less than hundreds annually, with abusers a small percentage of that. This just seems like a problem that need not exist, and a problem where a solution could encompass all points of view. JMHO There is absolutely nothing more simple than the present system which has served and continues to serve boaters well. The problem occurs when Enforcement oversteps its legal parameters.Some argue that its the pisstakers,you attempt to drill further into the matter and the boater who has been refused an overstay becomes hard to find.Why are these boaters not posting their experiences here or even on the other channel ?this is my greatest sadness.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:12:54 GMT
Who and where are these boaters that have been refused an overstay,how great a problem is it ?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:14:06 GMT
Wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler for CRT to just devise a form that boaters could print and take to their doctor for the doctor to sign? From a disinterested third party perspective, this sounds like a problem that doesn't need to be. Boaters should be able to simply advise CRT that they will be overstaying because of medical reasons. Although this is their express right, CRT needs to be notified so that local EO can be notified so that everyone can live in harmony. Preliminarily, CRT should accept the word of the boater and require no proof. If it starts to appear to CRT that there may be abuse, they could supply a simple form for a doctor to sign, with the boater still given the benefit of the doubt. If it appears that someone is taking the piss, further proof could be required. I'm just guessing that the number of "users" in a well-run system would be numbers far less than hundreds annually, with abusers a small percentage of that. This just seems like a problem that need not exist, and a problem where a solution could encompass all points of view. JMHO There is absolutely nothing more simple than the present system which has served and continues to serve boaters well. The problem occurs when Enforcement oversteps its legal parameters.Some argue that its the pisstakers,you attempt to drill further into the matter and the boater who has been refused an overstay becomes hard to find.Why are these boaters not posting their experiences here or even on the other channel ?this is my greatest sadness. They are scared to post, because people like peterboat and John v will stereotype them, call them pisstakers, and this is what really pisses me off.
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Post by PaulG2 on May 8, 2016 17:16:00 GMT
The thing is, those who fought for freedom will almost certainty despair of the bollocks some idiots come up with. I genuinely think that's incredibly sad. I like to believe they fought for a world where we all get on without idiots. Point of Order, guv'ner.... Most WWII vets have moved on to greener pastures and there hasn't been a soldier since, on our sides anyway, that has fought in any way, shape or form for our freedom! The fact is that for the last 75 years we have watched our freedoms slowly being sacrificed on the alter of wars of oppression for profit. While I'll admit that, to some degree, the soldiers are but unwitting, brainwashed pawns in the hands of the MIC, the fact of the matter is that without willing soldiers, war could not be waged. (BTW - I've walked the walk. When drafted to fight in the Vietnam war, I either had to fight, run to Canada, or face prison time. I chose face prison time. It wasn't an easy decision for a nineteen-year-old, but the decision was always between to stay or run. There was never any question that I would never participate in the killing of innocent people.)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:19:12 GMT
There is absolutely nothing more simple than the present system which has served and continues to serve boaters well. The problem occurs when Enforcement oversteps its legal parameters.Some argue that its the pisstakers,you attempt to drill further into the matter and the boater who has been refused an overstay becomes hard to find.Why are these boaters not posting their experiences here or even on the other channel ?this is my greatest sadness. They are scared to post, because people like peterboat and John v will stereotype them, call them pisstakers, and this is what really pisses me off. I don't believe that and I am surprised that you do
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:23:45 GMT
They are scared to post, because people like peterboat and John v will stereotype them, call them pisstakers, and this is what really pisses me off. I don't believe that and I am surprised that you do I have two boat owners at the moment who won't go public because of exactly this, ( though John and peterboat are not to blame directly) and it's so bloody wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:26:50 GMT
Its just so very hard to believe that when boaters are in the right they aren't prepared to make a stand. People like that are beyond doing anything for and they are colluding with CRT by their silence.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 17:27:22 GMT
Jenlyn The second you start your insults it becomes patently obvious that you don't have an argument With respect John I believe we do have an argument but the first thing you have to accept is that it is not the major problem you make it out to be. That was not aimed at either You or Tadworth. Much as we might disagree you have both always argued your case and I have always respected that and tried to see your viewpoint It was purely aimed at an individual who brought nothing to the discussion table but a loud mouth
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:28:48 GMT
The thing is, those who fought for freedom will almost certainty despair of the bollocks some idiots come up with. I genuinely think that's incredibly sad. I like to believe they fought for a world where we all get on without idiots. Point of Order, guv'ner.... Most WWII vets have moved on to greener pastures and there hasn't been a soldier since, on our sides anyway, that has fought in any way, shape or form for our freedom! The fact is that for the last 75 years we have watched our freedoms slowly being sacrificed on the alter of wars of oppression for profit. While I'll admit that, to some degree, the soldiers are but unwitting, brainwashed pawns in the hands of the MIC, the fact of the matter is that without willing soldiers, war could not be waged. (BTW - I've walked the walk. When drafted to fight in the Vietnam war, I either had to fight, run to Canada, or face prison time. I chose face prison time. It wasn't an easy decision for a nineteen-year-old, but the decision was always between to stay or run. There was never any question that I would never participate in the killing of innocent people.) Can't fault what you said but can't help feeling what I feel in my post. I notice you don't mention my point about leaders leading from the front...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:30:03 GMT
With respect John I believe we do have an argument but the first thing you have to accept is that it is not the major problem you make it out to be. That was not aimed at either You or Tadworth. Much as we might disagree you have both always argued your case and I have always respected that and tried to see your viewpoint It was purely aimed at an individual who brought nothing to the discussion table but a loud mouth The only loud object here John is you. Along with plenty of your exaggeration for effect.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 17:32:33 GMT
Its just so very hard to believe that when boaters are in the right they aren't prepared to make a stand. People like that are beyond doing anything for and they are colluding with CRT by their silence. They are scared. Their boats are all they have. I don't see them colluding with CRT. I feel angry that they have found themselves in such a position through no fault of their own.
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