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Post by PaulG2 on May 8, 2016 17:54:46 GMT
Point of Order, guv'ner.... Most WWII vets have moved on to greener pastures and there hasn't been a soldier since, on our sides anyway, that has fought in any way, shape or form for our freedom! The fact is that for the last 75 years we have watched our freedoms slowly being sacrificed on the alter of wars of oppression for profit. While I'll admit that, to some degree, the soldiers are but unwitting, brainwashed pawns in the hands of the MIC, the fact of the matter is that without willing soldiers, war could not be waged. (BTW - I've walked the walk. When drafted to fight in the Vietnam war, I either had to fight, run to Canada, or face prison time. I chose face prison time. It wasn't an easy decision for a nineteen-year-old, but the decision was always between to stay or run. There was never any question that I would never participate in the killing of innocent people.) Can't fault what you said but can't help feeling what I feel in my post. I notice you don't mention my point about leaders leading from the front... And I respect your feelings, regardless of how much I disagree. I don't mean to disrespect our soldiers, I view many of them as victims too. I just don't think it is right to automatically honor them just because. As far as the leading from the front goes, I don't see that quote anywhere so I don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by tadworth on May 8, 2016 17:58:46 GMT
Over staying is not a major problem, its a vehicle CRT are using to bring in charging, and make boaters think they they were forced to do it. CRT need a whole host of powers to create a micro managed pay as you go leisure industry out of the canal system, unfortunately the legislation has none of them, they are going to abuse the crap out of it until they can get a new act in place. If they break bylaws or act in contempt of the legislation the worst that can happen is they are told to stop doing X and Y by a judicial review. It is not an offence for CRT to be in breach of its own bylaws !
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:01:55 GMT
Scared and intimidated boaters doth not a case make.I genuinely don't believe that refusing an authorised overstay is the wide scale problem some make it out to be .
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:05:07 GMT
Can't fault what you said but can't help feeling what I feel in my post. I notice you don't mention my point about leaders leading from the front... And I respect your feelings, regardless of how much I disagree. I don't mean to disrespect our soldiers, I view many of them as victims too. I just don't think it is right to automatically honor them just because. As far as the leading from the front goes, I don't see that quote anywhere so I don't know what you are talking about. Why does there have to be a quote? I'd be interested in your views though...
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 18:14:59 GMT
Over staying is not a major problem, its a vehicle CRT are using to bring in charging, and make boaters think they they were forced to do it. CRT need a whole host of powers to create a micro managed pay as you go leisure industry out of the canal system, unfortunately the legislation has none of them, they are going to abuse the crap out of it until they can get a new act in place. If they break bylaws or act in contempt of the legislation the worst that can happen is they are told to stop doing X and Y by a judicial review. It is not an offence for CRT to be in breach of its own bylaws ! I don't really see that. ...........that comes over very much as conspiracy theory, I would need a hell of a lot of evidence to show something like that was happening and to be honest I have seen nothing that would indicate that they were even capable of organising anything half as complex. I suspect that an awful lot of the problems with CRT is because of bad or weak organisation and empire building by individuals.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:20:04 GMT
Over staying is not a major problem, its a vehicle CRT are using to bring in charging, and make boaters think they they were forced to do it. CRT need a whole host of powers to create a micro managed pay as you go leisure industry out of the canal system, unfortunately the legislation has none of them, they are going to abuse the crap out of it until they can get a new act in place. If they break bylaws or act in contempt of the legislation the worst that can happen is they are told to stop doing X and Y by a judicial review. It is not an offence for CRT to be in breach of its own bylaws ! I don't really see that. ...........that comes over very much as conspiracy theory, I would need a hell of a lot of evidence to show something like that was happening and to be honest I have seen nothing that would indicate that they were even capable of organising anything half as complex. I suspect that an awful lot of the problems with CRT is because of bad or weak organisation and empire building by individuals. I hope your right John,but history tells us when an organisation breaks free of the Public Sector a wonderful array of possibilities suddenly appear and they nearly always involve what Tadworth describes,in fact they bring in consultants tasked with exploring the viability of these possibilities
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:22:13 GMT
Over staying is not a major problem, its a vehicle CRT are using to bring in charging, and make boaters think they they were forced to do it. CRT need a whole host of powers to create a micro managed pay as you go leisure industry out of the canal system, unfortunately the legislation has none of them, they are going to abuse the crap out of it until they can get a new act in place. If they break bylaws or act in contempt of the legislation the worst that can happen is they are told to stop doing X and Y by a judicial review. It is not an offence for CRT to be in breach of its own bylaws ! I don't really see that. ...........that comes over very much as conspiracy theory.. Ha ha, still hanging onto that old one...
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 18:26:32 GMT
I don't really see that. ...........that comes over very much as conspiracy theory.. Ha ha, still hanging onto that old one... Occam's razor
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:34:28 GMT
Ha ha, still hanging onto that old one... Occam's razor As I've said before Occam's razor is sometimes used to poo poo the truth. The devil is in in the detail after all....
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 18:36:38 GMT
I believe Tadworth has it correctly
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 19:10:46 GMT
As I've said before Occam's razor is sometimes used to poo poo the truth. The devil is in in the detail after all.... Occam's razor is a useful tool and is right far more often than it's wrong. and as I said I have seen no evidence that would indicate that CRT's management were capable of such a complicated long term strategy without it all unravelling
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 19:14:50 GMT
As I've said before Occam's razor is sometimes used to poo poo the truth. The devil is in in the detail after all.... Occam's razor is a useful tool and is right far more often than it's wrong. and as I said I have seen no evidence that would indicate that CRT's management were capable of such a complicated long term strategy without it all unravelling You have never sat down with any of Crt management. You know absolutely nothing about any of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 19:17:10 GMT
As I've said before Occam's razor is sometimes used to poo poo the truth. The devil is in in the detail after all.... Occam's razor is a useful tool and is right far more often than it's wrong. and as I said I have seen no evidence that would indicate that CRT's management were capable of such a complicated long term strategy without it all unravelling That depends whether you know what the motive is. Simple works for the majority, that's why short people invented complicated.
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Post by JohnV on May 8, 2016 19:53:50 GMT
Occam's razor is a useful tool and is right far more often than it's wrong. and as I said I have seen no evidence that would indicate that CRT's management were capable of such a complicated long term strategy without it all unravelling That depends whether you know what the motive is. Simple works for the majority, that's why short people invented complicated. Well explore that then In what way can developing the waterways in that fashion benefit the top management of CRT ? They can hardly empire build when their finances indicate that a contraction is necessary? Financial? the eradication of boats without home moorings might make their life simpler but won't make their pay increase. Looking good for advancement, possibly but antagonising a large group of people risks backfiring badly. I cannot see any logical reason that CRT would take the course you have described as a result I stick by the maxim that the simplest answer is probably the right one lack of adequate managerial control at the top
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Post by loafer on May 8, 2016 20:15:48 GMT
Well I for one am tired of all this. Jenlyin, or whatever you're called, I don't live in an alcoholic haze, or whatever it was you said of me. That's just the way I portray myself to CWDF (and now here), for a comedy value.
I also agree with you in that I often don't know much about the subject of the thread, or indeed anything other than aviation or sailing!
But I'm HAPPEEEEEEE ha ha. Remind me not to join threads that you're in!!
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