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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2017 7:54:39 GMT
Is it just me, or does this qualify as "pathetic comment of the year"? Feeling that a sadistic serial murderer of children who showed no remorse whatsoever for his crimes should suffer for having committed those crimes means I should move to America? We've come to expect puerile, inane and idiotic posts from you Nick but you're plumbing new depths here. Anyway, I take it that you consider that sadism deserves sadism? Do you read the Old Testament a lot? He has received exactly the same medical attention that anyone else with his condition would have received, so where is the "sadism"?. The only difference is that he has received this while in a secure psychiatric hospital. Presumably you feel that he should have been at liberty while he did?
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Post by Telemachus on May 16, 2017 8:04:35 GMT
Wanting someone to suffer is a fair definition of sadism.
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2017 8:13:50 GMT
We do place a ridiculous level of importance on the sanctity of human life - but of course, only if white and living nearby. If brown and far away we don't give a stuff. Not logical! As I say all the time. But it is logical - many are hypocrites - they pretend to care for other 'skin colours', but really don't.
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Post by thebfg on May 16, 2017 8:14:20 GMT
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2017 8:21:05 GMT
And it only increased the torment of the victims' families, knowing he was still alive but refusing to help locate the bodies. Whereas with his death will come a degree of closure. But it was useful in serving as a reminder that creeps and weirdos like Brady are still amongst us: "I feel threatened myself and worried for my girls." "The men were described as being Asian" (Japanese or Chinese, I wonder?) www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/warning-gang-targeting-lone-female-drivers-traffic-lights/ (that surprised you! NOT the Dimwit Mail!!)
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Post by naughtyfox on May 16, 2017 8:24:49 GMT
Perhaps the very fine line of a person suffering from extreme mental health issues, who hasn't one iota between right and wrong. Which would result in a duty of care to them. Hang him slowly by the neck (not 'drop', just hang) until dead. How about bursting his eyeballs first with red hot cigarette ends, and getting a starving seagull to peck at his privates? Also an electric drill with a long bit whirring right through his head and out the other side? And then put it on Youtube.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2017 8:29:05 GMT
Wanting someone to suffer is a fair definition of sadism. So given that his loss of liberty was his greatest suffering, you feel that it was sadistic for him to have been imprisoned at all?
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Post by Telemachus on May 16, 2017 8:47:33 GMT
Wanting someone to suffer is a fair definition of sadism. So given that his loss of liberty was his greatest suffering, you feel that it was sadistic for him to have been imprisoned at all? No. Clearly he had to be imprisoned for the protection of others. Imprisonment is a necessary thing for that reason and to a smaller extent, to act as a deterrent. But primarily, once in prison, the emphasis should be on rehabilitation - not punishment. The latter has been shown to not work over the last many hundreds of years. Just how long does it take for you to learn from experience? Mind you, they do say that repeating the same thing but expecting a different outcome is a sign of insanity! But in your mind I appreciate that vengeance and retribution to satisfy your sadistic urges is more important than trying to minimise the probability of a criminal from reoffending with new victims. Of course the IB case is an extreme one and he seemed beyond rehabilitation, so I suppose it has to depend on whether one thinks he is in a mental position to determine whether he lives or dies, which after all is a position all of us not incarcerated find ourselves in. As I said at the outset, IMO it would have been better all round if he had been allowed to die.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2017 11:06:11 GMT
So given that his loss of liberty was his greatest suffering, you feel that it was sadistic for him to have been imprisoned at all? No. Clearly he had to be imprisoned for the protection of others. Imprisonment is a necessary thing for that reason and to a smaller extent, to act as a deterrent. But primarily, once in prison, the emphasis should be on rehabilitation - not punishment. The latter has been shown to not work over the last many hundreds of years. Just how long does it take for you to learn from experience? Mind you, they do say that repeating the same thing but expecting a different outcome is a sign of insanity! But in your mind I appreciate that vengeance and retribution to satisfy your sadistic urges is more important than trying to minimise the probability of a criminal from reoffending with new victims. It's nothing to do with "sadistic urges" and I'm sure you'd agree that it is your viewpoint which is at odds with those of normal and sane people. There is nothing untoward about the penalty for crimes of great enormity including an element of punishment including lifelong deprivation of liberty where, as in the Brady/ Hindley case it is merited. In any case such as this, something is owed both to public sentiment and the wishes of the bereaved.
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Post by Telemachus on May 16, 2017 12:02:18 GMT
No. Clearly he had to be imprisoned for the protection of others. Imprisonment is a necessary thing for that reason and to a smaller extent, to act as a deterrent. But primarily, once in prison, the emphasis should be on rehabilitation - not punishment. The latter has been shown to not work over the last many hundreds of years. Just how long does it take for you to learn from experience? Mind you, they do say that repeating the same thing but expecting a different outcome is a sign of insanity! But in your mind I appreciate that vengeance and retribution to satisfy your sadistic urges is more important than trying to minimise the probability of a criminal from reoffending with new victims. It's nothing to do with "sadistic urges" and I'm sure you'd agree that it is your viewpoint which is at odds with those of normal and sane people. There is nothing untoward about the penalty for crimes of great enormity including an element of punishment including lifelong deprivation of liberty where, as in the Brady/ Hindley case it is merited. In any case such as this, something is owed both to public sentiment and the wishes of the bereaved. Why are you sure I'd agree that my viewpoint is at odds with those of normal and sane people? Seems illogical, since if I were not normal and insane it's highly unlikely that I would agree that my views weren't correct or reasonable. As it is, my views are probably at odds with the majority. But then the majority read the Sun / Daily Mail, watch coronation street and waste their meagre cash on dog racing and cigarettes. By what possible logic should their views be considered valid and exemplary?
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 16, 2017 12:25:02 GMT
It's nothing to do with "sadistic urges" and I'm sure you'd agree that it is your viewpoint which is at odds with those of normal and sane people. There is nothing untoward about the penalty for crimes of great enormity including an element of punishment including lifelong deprivation of liberty where, as in the Brady/ Hindley case it is merited. In any case such as this, something is owed both to public sentiment and the wishes of the bereaved. But then the majority... waste their meagre cash on dog racing Blimey, it's a time traveller from the 1930s!
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Post by patty on May 16, 2017 12:27:22 GMT
Firstly..do not read daily mail/sun or any similar rubbish...I do not watch corrie..eastenders or any other soap..I do not gamble/smoke or drink to excess...
Right now I feel I am qualified to comment...
I believe that those who are incarcerated should be educated, rehabilitated and trained in skills...but only if their state of mind allows them be able to utilise these benefits to improve their lot and that of society. Sadly there are individuals who do need life long incarceration..their release would endanger the public and perhaps themselves. IB did not show any remorse... those who cannot see what they did is wrong do not belong in society..they would probably re offend...I wouldn't want any one with a criminal history who had never shown remorse living near me or any I love..and by that reasoning I feel we must keep them away from society and protect the innocent. As for inflicting pain on these individuals...no that is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:34:36 GMT
Brady was 'normal and sane' in the eyes of the world, upto conviction. Surely that is the terrifying thing, and how he was able to commit his atrocities.
His actions forfeited any rights in my view.
He was imprisoned for the rest of his natural life, and rightly so, to protect the public (including from those who would wish to do him harm and risk imprisonment themselves) and prevent further crimes.
The real terror is, how many more monsters are out there, who's mask has not yet slipped?
I decline to spend any more time on the man.
Rog
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Post by Gone on May 16, 2017 12:50:46 GMT
Sorry to arrive very late to this, but just wanted to say that especially in the case of child killers they should not be allowed to die early until they have revealed where they hid the bodies of their victims. Early death gives the killer the power to inflict more control and suffering onto the families desperate for information. In the case of Brady who wanted to die, it may even have been enough to get him to reveal where the bodies are.
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Post by Saltysplash on May 16, 2017 14:43:21 GMT
I have no problem with revenge or retribution. I would even go as far to say if such things happend to my children I would do everything in my power to exact my revenge and retribution.
As for our penal system, I would be happy with dungeons for such people. Door is always locked, no light, food is passed through a trap door and the only time the door is opened is when the food is no longer eaten for a month. Then the carcass is disposed of without any medical exam to assertain cause of death and the cell is cleansed and disinfected to await its next occupant.
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