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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 19:33:11 GMT
I used to deliver concrete lintels to builders merchants, Travis Perkins, Jewson etc in an articulated lorry. Every single branch of Travis Perkins and Jewson has four parking spaces for wheelchair users next to the front door, yet in four years of doing the job I never once saw a builder in a wheelchair. I doubt it would be possible to be a wheelchair-bound house builder to be honest. They aren't for "wheelchair users' despite what the painted symbol on the ground might suggest. They are for blue badge holders, not necessarily the same thing.
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 28, 2017 19:34:14 GMT
I used to deliver concrete lintels to builders merchants, Travis Perkins, Jewson etc in an articulated lorry. Every single branch of Travis Perkins and Jewson has four parking spaces for wheelchair users next to the front door, yet in four years of doing the job I never once saw a builder in a wheelchair. I doubt it would be possible to be a wheelchair-bound house builder to be honest. Just the same at my old work - when we built a new pilot training school, we had to have disabled parking spaces. You don't get many wheelchair-bound helicopter pilots!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 28, 2017 19:43:11 GMT
I used to deliver concrete lintels to builders merchants, Travis Perkins, Jewson etc in an articulated lorry. Every single branch of Travis Perkins and Jewson has four parking spaces for wheelchair users next to the front door, yet in four years of doing the job I never once saw a builder in a wheelchair. I doubt it would be possible to be a wheelchair-bound house builder to be honest. They aren't for "wheelchair users' despite what the painted symbol on the ground might suggest. They are for blue badge holders, not necessarily the same thing. The whole point of a Blue Badge is to enable the holder to park nearer to their destination because they have difficulties with mobility. If they can't walk ten yards, then can they seriously be considered to be a builder?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 19:50:12 GMT
They aren't for "wheelchair users' despite what the painted symbol on the ground might suggest. They are for blue badge holders, not necessarily the same thing. The whole point of a Blue Badge is to enable the holder to park nearer to their destination because they have difficulties with mobility. If they can't walk ten yards, then can they seriously be considered to be a builder? So somebody who owns and runs a building company who may have mobility problems but employs staff to actually work on site doesnt need to have the benefit of a blue badge space? And what about other visitors to the site who are not necessarily builder's who work on building sites,e.g. reps, company employees?
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Post by patty on Jun 28, 2017 20:18:03 GMT
Having twin daughters, 15 years ago I struggled on my own with twin pushchairs, both side by side and tandem style and all before the bigger, privileged parking spaces...we managed then!👍 But yes, I see the point you're making...life would of been easier with more space. Same here, I often say no such thing existed when ours were little but things are much easier and safer I think too as there is less distance to cover in the car park. Some people definitely take the piss though, like parking in a P&C space and one parent gets out the car to go into the shop, leaving the child and the other parent in the car, that's just bloody lazy. Lets face it there will always be those who take the p... out of any entitlement and there the ones that put any scheme to shame. I like the P and C because as Granny having the extra space makes life easier especially as so many cars are so much bigger and take up lots of room. Trying to get child out of car without touching another car can be challenging
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Post by IainS on Jun 28, 2017 20:55:14 GMT
I think in principle it's because they don't have the option of going there by bus. Anyway, they should move to Scotland where it's illegal for hospitals to charge for parking. I don't think it is illegal in Scotland. If it is, someone should tell the ERI (Edinburgh Royal Infirmary)!
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 29, 2017 0:34:33 GMT
I think in principle it's because they don't have the option of going there by bus. Anyway, they should move to Scotland where it's illegal for hospitals to charge for parking. I don't think it is illegal in Scotland. If it is, someone should tell the ERI (Edinburgh Royal Infirmary)! Oh yes, this link explains it. Seems as though 3 hospitals including ERI are excluded from the free parking thing. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/scotland_politics/7593400.stm
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Post by geo on Jun 29, 2017 2:33:30 GMT
I think in principle it's because they don't have the option of going there by bus. They have the option of free HNS provided transport though don't they? No they do not. Free transport is only available to those on certain benefits and with certain illnesses.
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Post by geo on Jun 29, 2017 2:43:57 GMT
Just watched an article on the local news where local NHS trust is introducing charges for blue badge holders and the resultant outrage from the interviewed disabled drivers. Whilst I sympathise with these peoples disabilities, I can't help but wonder why exactly they shouldn't pay for their parking just like everyone else has to? Disabled people have access to subsidised vehicles via the disability scheme and, rightly so, get privileged parking spaces allocated, who should they also be exempt from paying a subsidised parking charge? www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/disabled-drivers-to-be-charged-for-parking-at-preston-and-chorley-hospitals-1-8616224Disabled drivers do not have access to subsidised vehicle. The Motability scheme takes the Mobility part of their DLA or PIP and charges them at commercial rates including interest. Most would actually be better off buying and insuring their own vehicle, but to do that they need the capital to buy the car which they have not got. Those that have got capital tend to buy their own car once they have looked careful at the Mobility Scheme. There are several reasons why they should not pay for their parking, they tend to have to visit the hospital more often than most people; they have only one means of transport; public transport is impossible for most disabled and there is not free transport for the majority. Of course walking is not open to them.
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Post by geo on Jun 29, 2017 2:56:39 GMT
I rather think the principle behind Blue Badge parking has sort of got lost. I believe the original idea was to enable badge holders to park nearer their destination and to ensure that there were dedicated parking slots for them. It seems to have evolved into a free parking permit , the reality is that many of the badge users are not short of a bob or two (at least those that I know) and could well afford to pay for parking We have a friend who has a badge and her disability is deafness in both ears whereas Chris refuses to have one as she feels she doesn't need one yet despite having only 60% lung function, partially sighted , and,suffering from lymphoedemia and cellulitis.. Phil Your friend who is deaf in both ears should not have a Blue badge. The Blue Badge scheme is specifically for those who have a mobility problem that makes walking more than 20/50metre a problem either in terms of pain or because of a heart problem breathlessness etc. Deafness on its own is not sufficient. The Blue Badge Scheme is not principally about about marked bays in car park. The holder of a Blue badge may park anywhere for up to three hour where Loading is not forbidden, there is not a double white line in he centre of the road. i.e. They can park on single yellow lines, double yellow lines so long as there are not any kerb flashes. On street parking is free and unlimited to them in general. That is the way the scheme has worked since its inception.
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Post by geo on Jun 29, 2017 3:07:19 GMT
The town I used to work in was packed out with people on crutches or nhs walking sticks with new cars. Bloke on my industrial estate had one but worked 6 days a week on his feet and drove a lorry. He blagged it by having diabetes and a gammy toe. His son had one too - bad back. Seems to be a right in some places that has had the piss royally taken. I guess it depends on the attitude of local doctors etc and/or whoever advises. Perhaps if your council has certain types working for it...same council phoned me up out of the blue to advise me I should put one of my workshops in a family member's name then she would exempt me from business rates and refund 3 years worth for both units. The abuses that you complain of have almost all been stopped. To get a Bluebadge today the holder has to go through and ATOS medical and achieve sufficient points to be awarded the maximum mobility components of the PIP or DLA award. Eventually Bluebadges will only be ward when linked to PIP or DLA unless they undergo a full medical, which I think they have to pay for. There was a bit of a post code lottery but it has now all been centralised and the decision are taken out of area, thus removing the sweet dear needs one thing.
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Post by geo on Jun 29, 2017 3:16:48 GMT
Unfortunately a Bluebadge has a value of between £500 and £1000 depending on the area and cars are broken into to steal them, they are sold on and used illegally. All Bluebadges have a photo of the holder printed on them so that the police or parking warden can do an on the spot check.
To use the Bluebadge the disabled person has to be in the car, or is being picked up close by etc. Of course we have all seen the totally fit person doing the shopping with either the Disabled person not there or the Disabled granny etc left prisoner in the car while the shopping is done.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 29, 2017 5:43:45 GMT
Just watched an article on the local news where local NHS trust is introducing charges for blue badge holders and the resultant outrage from the interviewed disabled drivers. Whilst I sympathise with these peoples disabilities, I can't help but wonder why exactly they shouldn't pay for their parking just like everyone else has to? Disabled people have access to subsidised vehicles via the disability scheme and, rightly so, get privileged parking spaces allocated, who should they also be exempt from paying a subsidised parking charge? www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/disabled-drivers-to-be-charged-for-parking-at-preston-and-chorley-hospitals-1-8616224There are several reasons why they should not pay for their parking, they tend to have to visit the hospital more often than most people; they have only one means of transport; public transport is impossible for most disabled and there is not free transport for the majority. Of course walking is not open to them. So, 'They' tend to have to visit more often? Since when did regularity of visits become part of the right to free parking criterior? What about parents visiting their long term sick offspring or relatives every day? When does an able bodied person fall into your ' visiting more often' category? Is it worked out visits per week / month / year ? Public transport, impossible for most? What's wrong with taxi service if they can't manage a bus? Those that don't use the 'mobility part of their DLA or PIP' must surely have money to spare to pay their fares if they haven't taken up their offer of a mobility car? No free transport for the majority...I know the feeling well fella, there's no free transport for able bodied people either!
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 29, 2017 5:56:15 GMT
To use the Bluebadge the disabled person has to be in the car, or is being picked up close by etc. Of course we have all seen the totally fit person doing the shopping with either the Disabled person not there or the Disabled granny etc left prisoner in the car while the shopping is done. Myself and my ex ( who walked on crutches after a serious RTA caused spinal nerve damage) used to have a regular laugh when I used to leap out of my car in the disabled bay at Tescos, followed by Nikki struggling out of the passenger side in a very 'put on' upset state after I'd been chastised by random sanctimonious tossers accusing me of selfish illegal parking.😂👍👍
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Post by thebfg on Jun 29, 2017 9:38:11 GMT
I'm also aghast at the next nearest parking spots, after the disabled, are reserved for 'mother and child' I mean WTF? Why should they get special discompsation just becaus they have a child with them? It's no wonder that today's kids are a bunch of spineless, lazy, feckless scrotes, , never have to walk to school or even walk across car parks now, just sit round pretending to be a trained killer playing COD in their bedrooms . Boils my piss!😡 I take it you have never struggled on your own with a pushchair/pram and a baby/toddler. I have of late and definitely appreciate the extra width you get with a P&C space (yes I know I'm a grand parent not a parent before some smart arse points this out). The problem is just like blue badge spaces they get abused, and also like BB spaces boy do you get a mouthful if you ever challenge anybody about it. Edit interestingly at our local Tesco extra the P&C spaces are actually closer to the store entrance than the BB spaces which leads to the inevitable, BB holders park in them.. I have no idea why they have done that. My local Tesco have the p and c spaces a good distance away, this seems to stop issues as we always get a space.
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