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Post by Andyberg on Jun 28, 2017 12:48:59 GMT
Just watched an article on the local news where local NHS trust is introducing charges for blue badge holders and the resultant outrage from the interviewed disabled drivers. Whilst I sympathise with these peoples disabilities, I can't help but wonder why exactly they shouldn't pay for their parking just like everyone else has to? Disabled people have access to subsidised vehicles via the disability scheme and, rightly so, get privileged parking spaces allocated, who should they also be exempt from paying a subsidised parking charge? www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/disabled-drivers-to-be-charged-for-parking-at-preston-and-chorley-hospitals-1-8616224
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Post by Telemachus on Jun 28, 2017 13:29:57 GMT
Just watched an article on the local news where local NHS trust is introducing charges for blue badge holders and the resultant outrage from the interviewed disabled drivers. Whilst I sympathise with these peoples disabilities, I can't help but wonder why exactly they shouldn't pay for their parking just like everyone else has to? Disabled people have access to subsidised vehicles via the disability scheme and, rightly so, get privileged parking spaces allocated, who should they also be exempt from paying a subsidised parking charge? www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/disabled-drivers-to-be-charged-for-parking-at-preston-and-chorley-hospitals-1-8616224I think in principle it's because they don't have the option of going there by bus. Anyway, they should move to Scotland where it's illegal for hospitals to charge for parking.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 28, 2017 14:16:59 GMT
Just watched an article on the local news where local NHS trust is introducing charges for blue badge holders and the resultant outrage from the interviewed disabled drivers. Whilst I sympathise with these peoples disabilities, I can't help but wonder why exactly they shouldn't pay for their parking just like everyone else has to? Disabled people have access to subsidised vehicles via the disability scheme and, rightly so, get privileged parking spaces allocated, who should they also be exempt from paying a subsidised parking charge? www.lep.co.uk/your-lancashire/preston/disabled-drivers-to-be-charged-for-parking-at-preston-and-chorley-hospitals-1-8616224I think in principle it's because they don't have the option of going there by bus. They have the option of free HNS provided transport though don't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 15:00:57 GMT
It's quite common to see 'blue badge holders please note parking charges apply' or similar in car parks so I don't see the problem. The whole issue of hospital parking charges is a hot topic but if you are going to charge, it should be done equitibly.
You can't campaign for equality on only the issues that suit and expect to be exempt only when it doesn't.
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Post by phil70 on Jun 28, 2017 15:28:37 GMT
I rather think the principle behind Blue Badge parking has sort of got lost. I believe the original idea was to enable badge holders to park nearer their destination and to ensure that there were dedicated parking slots for them. It seems to have evolved into a free parking permit , the reality is that many of the badge users are not short of a bob or two (at least those that I know) and could well afford to pay for parking We have a friend who has a badge and her disability is deafness in both ears whereas Chris refuses to have one as she feels she doesn't need one yet despite having only 60% lung function, partially sighted , and,suffering from lymphoedemia and cellulitis.. Phil
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Post by peterboat on Jun 28, 2017 15:33:24 GMT
It can be a problem for some I suppose because they give up disability benefits for the car, but plenty of others struggle to own and run a car on a limited income so on balance it seems fair to charge all, or charge none if we go the other way.
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Post by bargemast on Jun 28, 2017 15:38:30 GMT
I rather think the principle behind Blue Badge parking has sort of got lost. I believe the original idea was to enable badge holders to park nearer their destination and to ensure that there were dedicated parking slots for them. It seems to have evolved into a free parking permit , the reality is that many of the badge users are not short of a bob or two (at least those that I know) and could well afford to pay for parking We have a friend who has a badge and her disability is deafness in both ears whereas Chris refuses to have one as she feels she doesn't need one yet despite having only 60% lung function, partially sighted , and,suffering from lymphoedemia and cellulitis.. Phil It's the same in France, there's a lot of abuse, people that have a disability that has nothing to do with their mobility manage to get disability parking stickers or cards.
There are also people that sell very well home made false invalidity cards, and that way people that haven't got the slightest handicaps are occupying the parking places for the really disabled.
You can read signs saying : "If you take my place, you can take my handicap too", but that doesn't seem to make any difference, and the police is rarely interested.
Peter.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 28, 2017 16:17:47 GMT
They should let them park for free, but only if they drive a genuine Spaz Chariot.
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Post by lollygagger on Jun 28, 2017 16:58:26 GMT
The town I used to work in was packed out with people on crutches or nhs walking sticks with new cars. Bloke on my industrial estate had one but worked 6 days a week on his feet and drove a lorry. He blagged it by having diabetes and a gammy toe. His son had one too - bad back. Seems to be a right in some places that has had the piss royally taken. I guess it depends on the attitude of local doctors etc and/or whoever advises. Perhaps if your council has certain types working for it...same council phoned me up out of the blue to advise me I should put one of my workshops in a family member's name then she would exempt me from business rates and refund 3 years worth for both units.
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Post by patty on Jun 28, 2017 18:15:30 GMT
I had to fight for my mums blue badge..she had severe arthritis and could hardly walk but...arthritis not recognised disability to automatically be allowed a badge....eventually i sent in a photograph with arrows and details of how the disease impacted...talk about begging...we got the badge, I think disabled should pay parking..providing machines arn't silly distance away and yes i think there are many who have badges who really shouldn't ....equally there are many who park in disabled parking because they are to bone idle to walk..
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 28, 2017 18:40:33 GMT
I'm also aghast at the next nearest parking spots, after the disabled, are reserved for 'mother and child' I mean WTF?
Why should they get special discompsation just becaus they have a child with them?
It's no wonder that today's kids are a bunch of spineless, lazy, feckless scrotes, , never have to walk to school or even walk across car parks now, just sit round pretending to be a trained killer playing COD in their bedrooms .
Boils my piss!😡
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 18:56:22 GMT
I'm also aghast at the next nearest parking spots, after the disabled, are reserved for 'mother and child' I mean WTF? Why should they get special discompsation just becaus they have a child with them? It's no wonder that today's kids are a bunch of spineless, lazy, feckless scrotes, , never have to walk to school or even walk across car parks now, just sit round pretending to be a trained killer playing COD in their bedrooms . Boils my piss!😡 I take it you have never struggled on your own with a pushchair/pram and a baby/toddler. I have of late and definitely appreciate the extra width you get with a P&C space (yes I know I'm a grand parent not a parent before some smart arse points this out). The problem is just like blue badge spaces they get abused, and also like BB spaces boy do you get a mouthful if you ever challenge anybody about it. Edit interestingly at our local Tesco extra the P&C spaces are actually closer to the store entrance than the BB spaces which leads to the inevitable, BB holders park in them.. I have no idea why they have done that.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 28, 2017 19:01:16 GMT
I'm also aghast at the next nearest parking spots, after the disabled, are reserved for 'mother and child' I mean WTF? Why should they get special discompsation just becaus they have a child with them? It's no wonder that today's kids are a bunch of spineless, lazy, feckless scrotes, , never have to walk to school or even walk across car parks now, just sit round pretending to be a trained killer playing COD in their bedrooms . Boils my piss!😡 I take it you have never struggled on your own with a pushchair/pram and a baby/toddler. I have of late and definitely appreciate the extra width you get with a P&C space (yes I know I'm a grand parent not a parent before some smart arse points this out). The problem is just like blue badge spaces they get abused, and also like BB spaces boy do you get a mouthful if you ever challenge anybody about it. Having twin daughters, 15 years ago I struggled on my own with twin pushchairs, both side by side and tandem style and all before the bigger, privileged parking spaces...we managed then!👍 But yes, I see the point you're making...life would of been easier with more space.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
I take it you have never struggled on your own with a pushchair/pram and a baby/toddler. I have of late and definitely appreciate the extra width you get with a P&C space (yes I know I'm a grand parent not a parent before some smart arse points this out). The problem is just like blue badge spaces they get abused, and also like BB spaces boy do you get a mouthful if you ever challenge anybody about it. Having twin daughters, 15 years ago I struggled on my own with twin pushchairs, both side by side and tandem style and all before the bigger, privileged parking spaces...we managed then!👍 But yes, I see the point you're making...life would of been easier with more space. Same here, I often say no such thing existed when ours were little but things are much easier and safer I think too as there is less distance to cover in the car park. Some people definitely take the piss though, like parking in a P&C space and one parent gets out the car to go into the shop, leaving the child and the other parent in the car, that's just bloody lazy.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 28, 2017 19:21:37 GMT
I used to deliver concrete lintels to builders merchants, Travis Perkins, Jewson etc in an articulated lorry.
Every single branch of Travis Perkins and Jewson has four parking spaces for wheelchair users next to the front door, yet in four years of doing the job I never once saw a builder in a wheelchair. I doubt it would be possible to be a wheelchair-bound house builder to be honest.
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