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Post by Allan on Jun 28, 2017 21:48:41 GMT
Not really the point. If encountering canoes in a tunnel is a risk, then this should be displayed on the notice boards. Boaters should also be made aware of 'Tunnels open for use by canoes and other small craft'. However, what C&RT is doing is doing contravenes what the document says. I thought the same. Do you actually know no changes to notices are planned? I suspect if you read the document to which I refer you will be able to answer your question.
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Post by kris on Jun 28, 2017 21:49:30 GMT
ive not seen a thread about these workshops, maybe you would like to start one. Obviously I knew they where happening but you are the first person I've talked to who has been to one. Feel free and start one. I'll try to help answer any questions but I can I only speak as I find. im just interested in the format, questions asked etc. A first hand account would be useful, maybe tmw?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 21:52:42 GMT
Not at all krissypoos. What is your excuse though? Twat! Ah right, I thought that was the cause of your problem. No worries.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 21:52:58 GMT
Nothing surprises me anymore. I was told today that widebeam licences will go up next year, and narrow boat licences will be put up in line with widebeam the year after, to make it fair. So, in two years, narrow boat licence will be the same as a widebeam, 25% more expensive 🤣😂🤣😂 so the whole exercise (liscence review) is a way of increasing all liscence fees way above inflation. Yep.
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Post by kris on Jun 28, 2017 21:54:57 GMT
Ah right, I thought that was the cause of your problem. No worries. i suggest you read the contents of the links you provide.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 21:59:46 GMT
I thought the same. Do you actually know no changes to notices are planned? I suspect if you read the document to which I refer you will be able to answer your question. No it doesn't. It merely lists the tunnels that CRT allow canoes and small vessels through.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:01:34 GMT
Ah right, I thought that was the cause of your problem. No worries. i suggest you read the contents of the links you provide. I have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 22:17:20 GMT
Feel free and start one. I'll try to help answer any questions but I can I only speak as I find. im just interested in the format, questions asked etc. A first hand account would be useful, maybe tmw? I didn't take minutes Kris but I did draw my own conclusions. The main one being that other than a big attack on widebeams (which is interesting as there did not appear to be any private wide beam represention there) nothing significant came out on the issue of charging CC'ers and live aboards more. One person did suggest charging us a LOT more but to be fair to the group (which was dominated by CRT 'friends') didn't support the idea. There did seem to be quite a few level headed people there thank God. A few other interesting points - The meeting was held between 2pm and 5pm on a work day which would make if difficult for those working to accept an invitation. This was bourne out in the fact everyone there must have been older than 50! No younger representation. The only CRT person there gave the introduction, took a few questions, showed a video from Mr Parry, then disappeared never to return. This surprised me as surely they want to listen to our views and be there to answer technical/stats questions. Mind you what looked like a camera appeared to be set up on top of the screen and was moved sideways by the end of the meeting. So maybe some of the CRT management were being entertained..lol. No, surley just my paranoia again... As far as I could see, CRT have not been able to provide any evidence of this boater 'feedback' which has resulted in justifying spending money on these workshops. Trust me I've asked. Having said all this, it was interesting to hear other views from across the boating community. There are some really nice people out there who do genuinely care about our future. Sadly there is also a tiny few who seem to have a very polarised view based presumably on some personal agenda or jealously.
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Post by kris on Jun 29, 2017 7:08:10 GMT
im just interested in the format, questions asked etc. A first hand account would be useful, maybe tmw? I didn't take minutes Kris but I did draw my own conclusions. The main one being that other than a big attack on widebeams (which is interesting as there did not appear to be any private wide beam represention there) nothing significant came out on the issue of charging CC'ers and live aboards more. One person did suggest charging us a LOT more but to be fair to the group (which was dominated by CRT 'friends') didn't support the idea. There did seem to be quite a few level headed people there thank God. A few other interesting points - The meeting was held between 2pm and 5pm on a work day which would make if difficult for those working to accept an invitation. This was bourne out in the fact everyone there must have been older than 50! No younger representation. The only CRT person there gave the introduction, took a few questions, showed a video from Mr Parry, then disappeared never to return. This surprised me as surely they want to listen to our views and be there to answer technical/stats questions. Mind you what looked like a camera appeared to be set up on top of the screen and was moved sideways by the end of the meeting. So maybe some of the CRT management were being entertained..lol. No, surley just my paranoia again... As far as I could see, CRT have not been able to provide any evidence of this boater 'feedback' which has resulted in justifying spending money on these workshops. Trust me I've asked. Having said all this, it was interesting to hear other views from across the boating community. There are some really nice people out there who do genuinely care about our future. Sadly there is also a tiny few who seem to have a very polarised view based presumably on some personal agenda or jealously. thanks tor that, it's good to hear the impressions of someone who was there.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 29, 2017 7:21:16 GMT
The canoeists aren't required to adopt certain procedures, if they don't and a boat runs them down then its tough shit. Will they be required to have astronomically expensive insurance for this obviously risky game? Young car drivers are!! I want to be able to claim for the shock and psychological damage if I kill a canoeist - perhaps a young woman who had her whole life in front of her and who leaves three young children motherless.
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Post by Jim on Jun 29, 2017 10:05:58 GMT
Nice shiny soap box you've found foxy, hope it's sturdy. The trouble I have with canoes is the speed they travel at and the wake they leave. It shakes me about when I'm moored in a tunnel by my centre line making a brew.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 29, 2017 14:13:27 GMT
im just interested in the format, questions asked etc. A first hand account would be useful, maybe tmw? I didn't take minutes Kris but I did draw my own conclusions. The main one being that other than a big attack on widebeams (which is interesting as there did not appear to be any private wide beam represention there) nothing significant came out on the issue of charging CC'ers and live aboards more. One person did suggest charging us a LOT more but to be fair to the group (which was dominated by CRT 'friends') didn't support the idea. There did seem to be quite a few level headed people there thank God. A few other interesting points - The meeting was held between 2pm and 5pm on a work day which would make if difficult for those working to accept an invitation. This was bourne out in the fact everyone there must have been older than 50! No younger representation. The only CRT person there gave the introduction, took a few questions, showed a video from Mr Parry, then disappeared never to return. This surprised me as surely they want to listen to our views and be there to answer technical/stats questions. Mind you what looked like a camera appeared to be set up on top of the screen and was moved sideways by the end of the meeting. So maybe some of the CRT management were being entertained..lol. No, surley just my paranoia again... As far as I could see, CRT have not been able to provide any evidence of this boater 'feedback' which has resulted in justifying spending money on these workshops. Trust me I've asked. Having said all this, it was interesting to hear other views from across the boating community. There are some really nice people out there who do genuinely care about our future. Sadly there is also a tiny few who seem to have a very polarised view based presumably on some personal agenda or jealously. I applied to attend one of these workshops and was turned down as to late to apply, I pointed out that I had applied in plenty of time but had no reply so had emailed again and again nothing heard. Asked someone else they told me over subscribed its strange I have a widebeam and my mate has one and neither of us were allowed to attend............................
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Post by Allan on Jun 29, 2017 15:12:33 GMT
CRT has failed to make boaters aware of this - we have had no personal contact from them as to the possibility of encountering canoeists in the tunnel. Sloppy from the start. Even sloppier than you think. They have not updated Tunnels open for use by canoes and other small craft to include Foulridge ... As an aside, a couple of years ago a canoeist had a lucky escape when he entered Shrewley Tunnel on the Grand Union without a light. Going the other way and just about to enter the tunnel I momentarily caught sight of something (probably the blade of a paddle). It was not until I crouched down and looked along the cabin side that I could see his silhouette. By this time the front of the Albert had just entered the tunnel and I had to back out. A few seconds later a cyclist appeared and shouted at me not to go into the tunnel as there was a canoe coming through without a light ... I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I had not seen something.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 29, 2017 18:11:37 GMT
CRT has failed to make boaters aware of this - we have had no personal contact from them as to the possibility of encountering canoeists in the tunnel. Sloppy from the start. Even sloppier than you think. They have not updated Tunnels open for use by canoes and other small craft to include Foulridge ... As an aside, a couple of years ago a canoeist had a lucky escape when he entered Shrewley Tunnel on the Grand Union without a light. Going the other way and just about to enter the tunnel I momentarily caught sight of something (probably the blade of a paddle). It was not until I crouched down and looked along the cabin side that I could see his silhouette. By this time the front of the Albert had just entered the tunnel and I had to back out. A few seconds later a cyclist appeared and shouted at me not to go into the tunnel as there was a canoe coming through without a light ... I sometimes wonder what would have happened if I had not seen something. I suspect you wouldnt have known about it, In my youth in the Army I canoed, white water and later sprint . Canoes arnt that strong and you could easily have pushed it under and the prop would have done the rest!!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 29, 2017 18:27:18 GMT
Our solution for this time: the Witch said she'll sit in the cratch with a couple of LED torches (they're quite bright) and point them through the glass to spot canoeists.
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