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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 21:58:47 GMT
The IWA is CaRTs poodle, and only acts for the benefit of its bigoted view of the waterways that doesn't include anyone that doesn't have a wine rack on their boat. What about the WRG - part of IWA. Do you hate them too?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
The IWA is CaRTs poodle, and only acts for the benefit of its bigoted view of the waterways that doesn't include anyone that doesn't have a wine rack on their boat. What about the WRG - part of IWA. Do you hate them too? I'd love to see you state that to a wrg volly. The IWA leaches from wrg. Even stole their place on the council. Wrg don't need the IWA, but IWA needs them.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 22:25:56 GMT
What about the WRG - part of IWA. Do you hate them too? I'd love to see you state that to a wrg volly. The IWA leaches from wrg. Even stole their place on the council. Wrg don't need the IWA, but IWA needs them. But WRG is a division of IWA these days: (from Wikipedia): "Although originally formed as an independent body, WRG is now a division of the Inland Waterways Association. The IWA currently covers WRG's core costs, however WRG still relies on fundraising and voluntary donations to cover its restoration aims."
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 13, 2017 7:09:59 GMT
I've read the links with a certain amout of horror. The way I see it, 'continuous cruising' licences would be limited to a handful of boats and perhaps those with medical exemptions. It would lead to roughly a trebling of licence fees for several thousand boaters. Many of these boaters could not afford to pay the new fees and would effectively be forced off the system. Social cleansing of the waterways.
What's the feeling, could something like this really be imposed on this group of boaters or do you think it's likely to be watered down?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:15:28 GMT
It would also have a dramatic effect kn boat sales I would have thought - some boats would be worthless.
I can't see it happening, personally.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 13, 2017 7:28:42 GMT
I've read the links with a certain amout of horror. The way I see it, 'continuous cruising' licences would be limited to a handful of boats and perhaps those with medical exemptions. It would lead to roughly a trebling of licence fees for several thousand boaters. Many of these boaters could not afford to pay the new fees and would effectively be forced off the system. Social cleansing of the waterways. What's the feeling, could something like this really be imposed on this group of boaters or do you think it's likely to be watered down? Don't forget this is just the IWA's suggestion, not CRT's. I too can't see it happening although I suppose there could be a trend towards it over time. But also I think your "handful of boaters" is wrong, lots of CCers cruise long distances. But equally lots want to stay in one general area due to work etc, and it is them who would be "targeted".
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Post by kris on Jul 13, 2017 7:28:54 GMT
I think it's a very real possibility that there will be increased liscence fees for cc'ers. Crt managment and the iwa are in each other's pocket. Look at the situation with widebeams, the iwa have been banging on about them for awhile. Low and behold they are one of the targets of the "independent" Liscence review. Ricco is right it is social cleansing.
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Post by kris on Jul 13, 2017 7:30:25 GMT
I've read the links with a certain amout of horror. The way I see it, 'continuous cruising' licences would be limited to a handful of boats and perhaps those with medical exemptions. It would lead to roughly a trebling of licence fees for several thousand boaters. Many of these boaters could not afford to pay the new fees and would effectively be forced off the system. Social cleansing of the waterways. What's the feeling, could something like this really be imposed on this group of boaters or do you think it's likely to be watered down? Don't forget this is just the IWA's suggestion, not CRT's. I too can't see it happening although I suppose there could be a trend towards it over time. But also I think your "handful of boaters" is wrong, lots of CCers cruise long distances. But equally lots want to stay in one general area due to work etc, and it is them who would be "targeted". have you got any figures Nick for all these cc'ers who stay in one area you keep going on about?
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 13, 2017 7:34:06 GMT
The IWA is CaRTs poodle, and only acts for the benefit of its bigoted view of the waterways that doesn't include anyone that doesn't have a wine rack on their boat. Wine rack??? I've got a fuckin whine closet. Ha ha! I think we all saw that one coming!
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 13, 2017 7:36:15 GMT
I could also see a higher demand for moorings, created by those who currently don't have one, but could afford one, thinking that if they have to pay for one anyway, they might as well have one. This will result in the price of moorings going up for all.
Also, if tracking devices are required, this cost would presumably fall on the boater. Another tap on the hammer of social cleansing.
And then, I could foresee a large increase in what are currently termed ghost moorings. We could rename this: creative mooring solutions.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Jul 13, 2017 7:41:45 GMT
I've read the links with a certain amout of horror. The way I see it, 'continuous cruising' licences would be limited to a handful of boats and perhaps those with medical exemptions. It would lead to roughly a trebling of licence fees for several thousand boaters. Many of these boaters could not afford to pay the new fees and would effectively be forced off the system. Social cleansing of the waterways. What's the feeling, could something like this really be imposed on this group of boaters or do you think it's likely to be watered down? Don't forget this is just the IWA's suggestion, not CRT's. I too can't see it happening although I suppose there could be a trend towards it over time. But also I think your "handful of boaters" is wrong, lots of CCers cruise long distances. But equally lots want to stay in one general area due to work etc, and it is them who would be "targeted". Yes I agree. I think that many boaters without a home mooring travel reasonable distances at certain times but stay in a more local area at others. Personally I travel during the summer months but range within 15 miles or so during the winter. The reason is that my parents are elderly and my only form of transport is a motor bike.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 13, 2017 7:44:49 GMT
Perhaps the answer is to get a well-paid job. Only now we realise there aren't many of those left as the immigrants from the poor and backward EU countries have filled in every spare job and driven wages down. Well, let's start our own Enterprise then - a bucket and rag and a sign saying Car Hand Wash. Or learn to play an accordion (badly) outside W H Smith.
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Post by kris on Jul 13, 2017 7:45:21 GMT
The floating fascists that are the iwa, won't give up on these aims, so they might not get them all introduced in the form they'd like this time. But they will set the direction of travel. It's a sign how much influence they have with Crt, that this review is taking place. Two of the main targets of this review are two of the iwa's hobby horses. Make of that what you like.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 7:59:20 GMT
I don't know much about the IWA but I thought they were mainly old gits (and gitesses). Is there a lot of young blood also coming in and getting involved?
If its just oldies then the influence might gradually fade as they die off or get zimmer frames.
Just a thought and in no way intended to be a dig at old people !
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Post by peterboat on Jul 13, 2017 8:10:19 GMT
As I said earlier we all need to boycott the IWA I cancelled mine Foxy needs to do the same everybody needs to do it and they will realise how boaters feel when the organisation has no members. Unfortunately boaters dont organise themselves because if we did the waterways would be for boats, not walkers and cyclists or anybody else who uses without directly paying
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