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Post by Gone on Jul 14, 2017 13:11:06 GMT
It rather beggars belief seeing roger make an assessment of views from a survey that included five people, and then suggesting all is well because his five say so. It's rather like CRT surveying 30,000 boaters, getting 700 replies of which 49 percent say all is fine. Oh hang on, that actually happened. The thing is roger, you pretty much switch off when your on the boat, you don't integrate with others, apart from those you know, which seems to be five people. You seem quite happy to admit some things are wrong, but take no active part in helping to get those things corrected. Yet here you are, quite happy to use a forum to castigate others for being concerned. Quite happy to castigate others for drawing attention to their concerns. Quite happy to castigate others for using a forum, or the internet to promote both, and your input to it all, views from a survey of five people. π Before people respond to surveys they ask themselves 'what's in it for me?' There are three reasons to feel there may be a benefit and these are 1) I should help them (makes me feel a little bit better), 2) They have done something to piss me off and now is my chance to tell them 3) All respondents go into a free prize draw for something really worth having. Without number 3, the response rate will be low if people are in general happy. Draw your own conclusions that only 350 out of 30,000 (so just 10%) felt sufficiently angry to tell CRT what they think of them.............
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Post by lollygagger on Jul 14, 2017 13:21:39 GMT
It rather beggars belief seeing roger make an assessment of views from a survey that included five people, and then suggesting all is well because his five say so. It's rather like CRT surveying 30,000 boaters, getting 700 replies of which 49 percent say all is fine. Oh hang on, that actually happened. The thing is roger, you pretty much switch off when your on the boat, you don't integrate with others, apart from those you know, which seems to be five people. You seem quite happy to admit some things are wrong, but take no active part in helping to get those things corrected. Yet here you are, quite happy to use a forum to castigate others for being concerned. Quite happy to castigate others for drawing attention to their concerns. Quite happy to castigate others for using a forum, or the internet to promote both, and your input to it all, views from a survey of five people. π Before people respond to surveys they ask themselves 'what's in it for me?' Β There are three reasons to feel there may be a benefit and these are 1) I should help them (makes me feel a little bit better), 2) They have done something to piss me off and now is my chance to tell them 3) All respondents go into a free prize draw for something really worth having. Without number 3, the response rate will be low if people are in general happy. Β Draw your own conclusions that only 350 out of 30,000 (so just 10%) felt sufficiently angry to tell CRT what they think of them............. 1%
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:24:55 GMT
It rather beggars belief seeing roger make an assessment of views from a survey that included five people, and then suggesting all is well because his five say so. It's rather like CRT surveying 30,000 boaters, getting 700 replies of which 49 percent say all is fine. Oh hang on, that actually happened. The thing is roger, you pretty much switch off when your on the boat, you don't integrate with others, apart from those you know, which seems to be five people. You seem quite happy to admit some things are wrong, but take no active part in helping to get those things corrected. Yet here you are, quite happy to use a forum to castigate others for being concerned. Quite happy to castigate others for drawing attention to their concerns. Quite happy to castigate others for using a forum, or the internet to promote both, and your input to it all, views from a survey of five people. π Before people respond to surveys they ask themselves 'what's in it for me?' There are three reasons to feel there may be a benefit and these are 1) I should help them (makes me feel a little bit better), 2) They have done something to piss me off and now is my chance to tell them 3) All respondents go into a free prize draw for something really worth having. Without number 3, the response rate will be low if people are in general happy. Draw your own conclusions that only 350 out of 30,000 (so just 10%) felt sufficiently angry to tell CRT what they think of them............. A reasonably good return to an external survey is supposedly 10 to 15%, if the figures quoted are correct then the survey got 2.5% of which the results were split roughly for for/against. I'd be wary of relying on the results and be more interested about how to improve the response rate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:29:50 GMT
It rather beggars belief seeing roger make an assessment of views from a survey that included five people, and then suggesting all is well because his five say so. It's rather like CRT surveying 30,000 boaters, getting 700 replies of which 49 percent say all is fine. Oh hang on, that actually happened. The thing is roger, you pretty much switch off when your on the boat, you don't integrate with others, apart from those you know, which seems to be five people. You seem quite happy to admit some things are wrong, but take no active part in helping to get those things corrected. Yet here you are, quite happy to use a forum to castigate others for being concerned. Quite happy to castigate others for drawing attention to their concerns. Quite happy to castigate others for using a forum, or the internet to promote both, and your input to it all, views from a survey of five people. π Before people respond to surveys they ask themselves 'what's in it for me?' There are three reasons to feel there may be a benefit and these are 1) I should help them (makes me feel a little bit better), 2) They have done something to piss me off and now is my chance to tell them 3) All respondents go into a free prize draw for something really worth having. Without number 3, the response rate will be low if people are in general happy. Draw your own conclusions that only 350 out of 30,000 (so just 10%) felt sufficiently angry to tell CRT what they think of them............. I'd agree with you, but, an independent survey in 2013-14 suggested most did not reply to the trust because, the trust in the main ignored them. This was verified also by the trusts own survey later on. Most of the boater meetings also saw similar complaints from the attendees. Points 1,2 and 3 are perhaps possible with a small number, but I don't really believe the majority of boat owner's are that shallow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:47:58 GMT
There appear to be some statistical errors in here. One person says its 10%, next person points out its 1% then someone says its 2.5%? 350/30000 is in fact 1.1666666667% (to 10 decimal places). What exactly is going on here?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:48:46 GMT
Mr Jenlyn.
I believe if you read my post I started with a proposal (forums can give a warped view etc).
I then gave some evidence of why I held that view based on the experience of three friends and myself (all boaters) and all other boaters the four us come into contact with over a period of many years.
I did not say it was a poll, and only used it to support evidence why I held the view I proposed.
A negligible number are forum members.
I didn't (but I could have added) that even on this forum, the views you express regarding C&RT's ulterior motives would place you in a minority, but of course, only in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:55:34 GMT
There appear to be some statistical errors in here. One person says its 10%, next person points out its 1% then someone says its 2.5%? 350/30000 is in fact 1.1666666667% (to 10 decimal places). What exactly is going on here? Response was roughly 2.5% (700 responses), roughly half said all was ok so roughly 1.25% or 1% depending on how the figure is rounded (350 responses).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 13:57:54 GMT
I see. Ok. I thought the response was 350 out of 30000.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 14, 2017 14:05:40 GMT
Who here on TB is an IWA member? I am - they sell nice Christmas cards. Cancelled my membership back in the late 90's Me pennies now go to the RNLI
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:21:28 GMT
Mr Jenlyn. I believe if you read my post I started with a proposal (forums can give a warped view etc). I then gave some evidence of why I held that view based on the experience of three friends and myself (all boaters) and all other boaters the four us come into contact with over a period of many years. I did not say it was a poll, and only used it to support evidence why I held the view I proposed. A negligible number are forum members. I didn't (but I could have added) that even on this forum, the views you express regarding C&RT's ulterior motives would place you in a minority, but of course, only in my opinion. Rog I suggest to you I may well be in the minority of those on here, who have spent much face to face time with CRT. The majority of you, spend your time on here, and that gives you very little experience, and therefore enables you merely to come out with assumptions. I note that actually, the small minority who have actually had contact with CRT in the real world, more or less sing from the same song sheet. This by the way is fact, rather than your fiction π
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:27:04 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall during these interactions with CRT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
Does it go something like this
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:31:17 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall during these interactions with CRT. No need for flies, being deaf, I recorded them to enable me a reference point if needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:32:59 GMT
I said you may be in the minority, not that you were wrong. Our only point of disagreement is that you ascribe C&RT's motives for their general conduct, to a desire to get rid of boaters, whereas I am inclined to the view it is better explained by poor and incompetent management. Time will tell whether I'm still here in another twelve years complaining about poor wifi strength at Crick, or trying to buy another boat because C&RT's evil empire have crushed mine Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 14:35:41 GMT
Does it go something like this Glad you think it's funny. If it were not for those of us who spent time arguing the toss with CRT, you wouldn't have got that 6 month licence, instead you'd have been watching your boat shoot off to Chester on the back of a lorry.
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