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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:35:14 GMT
Why not? He's got to move every 14 days same as me. We're all just boaters. Rog No, the law only requires those without a home mooring to move every 14 days. That section of the law doesn't apply to those with a home mooring. And no, we are not all just boaters. Boaters are people who cruise their boats, know how to operate them or at least are interested in learning how to, know how to moor (suitable place, tying up correctly) etc etc. But there are plenty of people with boats who are interested in none of these things, they just want somewhere to live cheaply. They would be just as happy in a caravan if only they were allowed to plonk the caravan down wherever they felt like, and live in it. Yes, the 14 day also applies to boats registered with a home mooring.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:35:44 GMT
TellyMackus is cruising at the moment, but he has a home mooring therefore he is not a continuous cruiser. Yes he is, when not parked at his home mooring. Subject to the same 'rules and regulations' as we are. No, the law differentiates between those with a home mooring and those without. Those with, are not subject to the 14 day rule. Those without are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:36:33 GMT
Yes he is, when not parked at his home mooring. Subject to the same 'rules and regulations' as we are. No, the law differentiates between those with a home mooring and those without. Those with, are not subject to the 14 day rule. Those without are. Not correct.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2017 20:37:44 GMT
Yes he is, when not parked at his home mooring. Subject to the same 'rules and regulations' as we are. No, the law differentiates between those with a home mooring and those without. Those with, are not subject to the 14 day rule. Those without are. I'm lost, then. So for how long can someone with a home mooring park up elsewhere? Do 48-hour signs not apply to use? (using the same logic, then they wouldn't).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:38:14 GMT
You have to move JUST the same as me when not at your mooring.
We have the same licence, costing the same amount (subject to length) it's just the time we choose to devote to our boats that is different.
I am happy for you to 'boat' however you like, and for everyone else to do likewise.
Why do we have to devote so much energy towards judging others motives?
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:39:01 GMT
No, the law only requires those without a home mooring to move every 14 days. That section of the law doesn't apply to those with a home mooring. And no, we are not all just boaters. Boaters are people who cruise their boats, know how to operate them or at least are interested in learning how to, know how to moor (suitable place, tying up correctly) etc etc. But there are plenty of people with boats who are interested in none of these things, they just want somewhere to live cheaply. They would be just as happy in a caravan if only they were allowed to plonk the caravan down wherever they felt like, and live in it. Yes, the 14 day also applies to boats registered with a home mooring. Could you quote the relevant section of the law? Thought not! Although as we both in fact know, whilst the law doesn't require it, the Ts and Cs do require it. But I'm sure you will be the first to agree that the Ts and Cs are not enforceable because the licence has to be granted when the 3 conditions are met, and agreeing to Ts and Cs isn't one of them.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 21, 2017 20:39:29 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with Jenlyn with this. Let's hear Tellytubs's reasoning, then. But bed for me now, little kiddies to terrify in the morning! (Evil laugh!)
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 21, 2017 20:42:07 GMT
But he didn't sign the continuous cruising declaration when he applied for his licence. So he's a boater with a home mooring who cruises a lot, not a continuous cruiser. What declaration? I don't remember such when we bought our licence in July. I think it just said "Do you want a boat licence? If so, give us money." You will at some stage have had to provide CRT with the address of your home mooring. If you have provided this previously then it will have been on your licence renewal form and you will have been required in your declaration to confirm that your circumstances had not changed. If an applicant cannot provide CRT with the address of a home mooring then he/she has to sign the continuous cruising declaration- as this would not have applied to you then you probably just skimmed over it.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:42:27 GMT
No, the law differentiates between those with a home mooring and those without. Those with, are not subject to the 14 day rule. Those without are. Not correct. I'm surprised you are not familiar with the 1995 act section 17 (3)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:42:54 GMT
Yes, the 14 day also applies to boats registered with a home mooring. Could you quote the relevant section of the law? Thought not! Although as we both in fact know, whilst the law doesn't require it, the Ts and Cs do require it. But I'm sure you will be the first to agree that the Ts and Cs are not enforceable because the licence has to be granted when the 3 conditions are met, and agreeing to Ts and Cs isn't one of them. I said nothing about the law requiring it, in fact I disagree with it entirely. However, the T&C's state it is so, and your paying for the licence enters you into that contract. Failing to follow the t&c's will see you offered a restricted licence.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:43:39 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with Jenlyn with this. Let's hear Tellytubs's reasoning, then. But bed for me now, little kiddies to terrify in the morning! (Evil laugh!) The "reasoning" is the content of the British Waterways 1995 act section 17 (3) (c)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:44:09 GMT
I believe Mr Dunkley's court case with C&RT was about not moving his boat sufficiently when away from his home mooring.
C&RT (not for the first or last time) were wrong.
Maybe my memory is in error.
Rog
The much trumpeted terms and conditions that we are all required to agree to, include the 14 day movement for all proviso
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:45:35 GMT
I'm surprised you are not familiar with the 1995 act section 17 (3) I am indeed familiar with it. However, your statement suggesting as a home moorer you are not subjected to the 14 day mooring is not correct.
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:46:05 GMT
Could you quote the relevant section of the law? Thought not! Although as we both in fact know, whilst the law doesn't require it, the Ts and Cs do require it. But I'm sure you will be the first to agree that the Ts and Cs are not enforceable because the licence has to be granted when the 3 conditions are met, and agreeing to Ts and Cs isn't one of them. I said nothing about the law requiring it, in fact I disagree with it entirely. However, the T&C's state it is so, and your paying for the licence enters you into that contract. Failing to follow the t&c's will see you offered a restricted licence. In this post, in response to my comment about the LAW, you said "not correct". You were wrong. thunderboat.boards.net/post/78124
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 21, 2017 20:48:10 GMT
I'm surprised you are not familiar with the 1995 act section 17 (3) I am indeed familiar with it. However, your statement suggesting as a home moorer you are not subjected to the 14 day mooring is not correct. I am talking only about the law. If you can show me where the law requires a boat with a home mooring to move every 14 days I will be surprised and interested to see it. But I'm pretty certain you won't be able to.
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