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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 9:40:18 GMT
My understanding. You can't go down to 0 as the gut can produce it's own alcohol depending what has been eaten and the person. Reducing the limit in line with Scotland's limits is nearly as far as you can go without the potential criminalising natural processes. That's interesting. For newly qualified drivers in France the limit is 0.2 so they obviously think they can test for that. And in Czech its 0.0 etsc.eu/blood-alcohol-content-bac-drink-driving-limits-across-europe/UK sticks out like a sore thumb in that list along with Malta !!
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Post by thebfg on Sept 5, 2017 10:12:07 GMT
My understanding. You can't go down to 0 as the gut can produce it's own alcohol depending what has been eaten and the person. Reducing the limit in line with Scotland's limits is nearly as far as you can go without the potential criminalising natural processes. That's interesting. For newly qualified drivers in France the limit is 0.2 so they obviously think they can test for that. And in Czech its 0.0 etsc.eu/blood-alcohol-content-bac-drink-driving-limits-across-europe/UK sticks out like a sore thumb in that list along with Malta !! you may be shocked to learn that Listerine is 30% alcohol, vanilla extract is 35%abv, some hand sanitizer contain the equivilant of 5 shots, Malt vinegar, wine vinegar Some brands of dijon mustard, cherries jubilee, flambé desserts, can all contain alcohol bass shandy has 0.05 or is it 0.005% however it's a kids drink. using wine in cooking, the liquid evaporates but most of the alcohol content remains. there are many medication that contain alcohol and as mention the stomach can produce alcohol on its own after digesting certain food. I think the British government realise all this and don't want people banned after having a vanilla ice cream. although the limit could be much lower. but I doubt we will ever go to zero. I did listen when I went on the alcoh awareness course. I accepted losing my licence for being a c$#t but not for using Listerine.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 5, 2017 10:20:41 GMT
My understanding. You can't go down to 0 as the gut can produce it's own alcohol depending what has been eaten and the person. Reducing the limit in line with Scotland's limits is nearly as far as you can go without the potential criminalising natural processes. That's interesting. For newly qualified drivers in France the limit is 0.2 so they obviously think they can test for that. And in Czech its 0.0 etsc.eu/blood-alcohol-content-bac-drink-driving-limits-across-europe/UK sticks out like a sore thumb in that list along with Malta !! when they have zero percent, some countries have a 0.1 or 0.2 leeway to take into account my previous post. I am unaware if Czech does. hey I like to argue with myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 10:25:22 GMT
Alcohol limit is 0.2 for those working on the railways so it can be tested. It does need to be tested under fairly stringent conditions and also requires a very serious attitude to alcohol including things like having your own calibrated breathalyser or abstaining from alcohol for 12 hrs before working. 0.5 seems a reasonable limit to me, it's a balance between liberty and draconian measures.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of the countries that have a 0 level use equipment for testing that ignore levels below a certain amount.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2017 10:52:59 GMT
Am I the only one here who has to blow into an Alko-Lock device three times a day (sometimes more)?
I have to consider everything I eat and think if alcohol is on the cards about blowing into that alco-lock next time will I be 'clear'.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 5, 2017 11:01:13 GMT
It probably is Aberdeenshire, I just wanted a frosty countryside photo to show what a frosty morning looks like. On the way to work these days I can see where 'our' river is, as a big pile of mist is hanging over it.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 5, 2017 11:06:27 GMT
Am I the only one here who has to blow into an Alko-Lock device three times a day (sometimes more)? This bloke didn't have to.
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Post by bodger on Sept 5, 2017 11:09:31 GMT
no it isn't. even if you are not committing an offence, your ability and perception are impaired. ............. a pint is, in fact, regarded as OK by authorities who probably know more about the subject than you or I do. it's not regarded as OK, it is just not automatically an offence. if you drank a pint and had an accident while driving home, possibly injuring or killing someone you would probably question your ability and would not be so blase about it. ..................... and before you ask, no I haven't, and I never drink at all when I'm planning to drive. Not ever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:17:57 GMT
............. a pint is, in fact, regarded as OK by authorities who probably know more about the subject than you or I do. it's not regarded as OK, it is just not automatically an offence. if you drank a pint and had an accident while driving home, possibly injuring or killing someone you would probably question your ability and would not be so blase about it. ..................... and before you ask, no I haven't, and I never drink at all when I'm planning to drive. Not ever. Have you ever driven whilst having a conversation with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:30:38 GMT
............. a pint is, in fact, regarded as OK by authorities who probably know more about the subject than you or I do. it's not regarded as OK, it is just not automatically an offence. if you drank a pint and had an accident while driving home, possibly injuring or killing someone you would probably question your ability and would not be so blase about it. ..................... and before you ask, no I haven't, and I never drink at all when I'm planning to drive. Not ever. Your habits are for you. Other people have different views. Its a bit simplistic saying "if you drank a pint and had an accident while driving home". If this involved an injury or death then there would be an inquiry as to who was responsible. My having had a pint before driving would be irrelevant if a vehicle came round a corner on wrong side of the road. Ok if I caused an accident then yes maybe I would rethink but I believe accidents are avoidable so I avoid causing them 26 years driving never hit anything or anyone. I did reverse into a skip once I'd be in favour of lower limits personally but if the limit is 0.8 which it is in the UK (0.5 in France where I was driving last week) I will say that to me 2.5 units (a pint at 4.4%abv which is approximately what a pint of lager is in a pub - less than when you buy a can) is basically OK.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:41:16 GMT
I have to consider everything I eat and think if alcohol is on the cards. Can you lose your license for just thinking about having a drink? I hate Finland.
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Post by JohnV on Sept 5, 2017 11:47:26 GMT
On this one I'm with Magnetman.
I limit myself to one pint (normally as two half pints through the evening) when I am out at the old gits evening. Usually an IPA at sub 4%.
The cry goes up that it will stop accidents and injuries or deaths from being caused by alcohol related accidents. This is bollux !!!
The problem is people who ignore the existing limit and are often many times over the limit.
Reducing the limit will do damn all to prevent the idiots who ignore the limit ....... bloody hell don't people realise that only the law abiding obey the law and they are not the problem.
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Post by NigelMoore on Sept 5, 2017 11:55:47 GMT
I think that people ought to be aware of their personal metabolism when considering whether any particular amount imbibed would result in tests showing over or under limits, and/or whether that means anything regarding their fitness to drive.
Some people get tiddly after a half glass of wine; I have been breathalysed after a half litre of Scotch and still fell within the legal limit.
One thing I have always been curious about, following the first time I was ever breathalysed, was the legality of forcing me to wait half an hour beforehand. I had told the officer that I had drunk one of those tiny bottles of hot saki with a Japanese meal, and was within a half-minute from home when pulled over. Because I had been stopped within minutes of leaving the restaurant, the officer claimed that the alcohol reading would not have had time to reflect absorption into the bloodstream, so I was made to wait until he felt it had time to take effect!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 12:11:37 GMT
Because I had been stopped within minutes of leaving the restaurant, the officer claimed that the alcohol reading would not have had time to reflect absorption into the bloodstream, so I was made to wait until he felt it had time to take effect! Not sure whether the officer was correct, my understanding is that the half hour is to help get a correct reading, it equally applies if you have eaten a mint or had a smoke or brushed your teeth. Testing becomes far more critical the lower the limit to get accurate results.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 12:13:50 GMT
I think that people ought to be aware of their personal metabolism when considering whether any particular amount imbibed would result in tests showing over or under limits, and/or whether that means anything regarding their fitness to drive. Some people get tiddly after a half glass of wine; I have been breathalysed after a half litre of Scotch and still fell within the legal limit. One thing I have always been curious about, following the first time I was ever breathalysed, was the legality of forcing me to wait half an hour beforehand. I had told the officer that I had drunk one of those tiny bottles of hot saki with a Japanese meal, and was within a half-minute from home when pulled over. Because I had been stopped within minutes of leaving the restaurant, the officer claimed that the alcohol reading would not have had time to reflect absorption into the bloodstream, so I was made to wait until he felt it had time to take effect! Am I reading that correctly - you felt safe to drive after consuming half a litre of Scotch???
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