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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 21:29:13 GMT
There you go again...it's all about the genes. That seems to be your default explanation for everything. Just sayin' (its the day job kicking in) there is no legal status in 'next of kin'. For the powers you refer to, your sexual preferences etc have no bearing, you need Lasting Powers of attorney. Im half way though the second outlet of. Tasty Malbec so I'll leave it at that. If you want further info on the subject feel free to invite me to write a comprehensive thread when I'm entirely sober. I learnt a long time ago, that when people try to talk in riddles, or try to be clever, they are usually hiding something. Not saying you are, just a general observation really. The day everyone becomes true to themselves is a day I'll be a happy man.
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Post by dyertribe on Sept 2, 2017 21:44:53 GMT
I.m more than happy to explain the next of kin issues. I don't feel i am best placed to do so an this time of night after consuming alcohol. It is a subject of interest to some and not to others, though relevant to all. I donn't want to waste my time, and yours writing a long post on the subject if it is not of interest to anyone. Does tha t explain my post? No cryptic secret squirrel, no riddles.
Oh, my reply was a response to Telemachus' comments on marriage and next of kin,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 22:00:13 GMT
I.m more than happy to explain the next of kin issues. I don't feel i am best placed to do so an this time of night after consuming alcohol. It is a subject of interest to some and not to others, though relevant to all. I donn't want to waste my time, and yours writing a long post on the subject if it is not of interest to anyone. Does tha t explain my post? No cryptic secret squirrel, no riddles. Oh, my reply was a response to Telemachus' comments on marriage and next of kin, Why not PM him then? ;-)
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 2, 2017 22:07:22 GMT
I'm annoyed because gays are allowed to have "civil partnerships". As my OH is a woman I'm only allowed to have an uncivil partnership. That is discrimination. But I view marriage as something that has something to do with religion Well that's your mistake, but never mind, I can forgive you. Marriage is nothing to do with religion.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 2, 2017 22:13:28 GMT
There you go again...it's all about the genes. That seems to be your default explanation for everything. Just sayin' (its the day job kicking in) there is no legal status in 'next of kin'. For the powers you refer to, your sexual preferences etc have no bearing, you need Lasting Powers of attorney. Im half way though the second outlet of. Tasty Malbec so I'll leave it at that. If you want further info on the subject feel free to invite me to write a comprehensive thread when I'm entirely sober. No. When the person is unable, for example, to consent to a medical procedure when they are very ill, the partner in marriage is the person empowered to make the decision. LPOA is for people who are expected to become incapable of deciding on their future/present needs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 22:19:20 GMT
But I view marriage as something that has something to do with religion Well that's your mistake, but never mind, I can forgive you. Marriage is nothing to do with religion. I agree actually, it's a mutual agreement. Unfortunately religion, peer pressure (or nurture) can force a marriage. Then it is pot luck if it works. Sometimes it does, and that's nice. I'm so glad Nick has forgiven you BTW. :-)
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Post by bettina on Sept 2, 2017 22:27:28 GMT
Now that the marriage of homosexuals is widely accepted, and that any person or organisation who has an issue with this is widely condemned.... got me thinking: If it's a 'human right' for people to marry another that's outside what most people would likely see as the natural law of the species, why stop with allowing homosexuals these so called human rights? I mean, if a man or woman wants to marry two or more people, either of the opposite sex, the same sex, or a mixture of both, what's wrong with that? If someone wants to marry their brother or sister, why should they be apparently be discriminated against and be denied the opportunity to formalise their love? More than 1 husband at the SAME TIME!!! Have you lost your all your marbles??? Seriously though; Personally I could care less what other folks do, marriage, civil partnerships, or live common law; it really doesn't effect my life one way or the other. One of my cloest & dearest friends back in Canada is gay. Really the only time it ever came up in conversation is when I would comment on a nice looking man. Ted would often comment that he would stand a better chance than I would. My gay-dar is pretty much non existent First marriage lasted almost 5 years, I was 19 he was 28, both only children and he was a violent alcoholic. When I finally left I swore I would never get married again. Dave is my second husband and he is by far my best friend in the world, we've been married over 18 years now and if anything our relationship gets better as each year passes. I really couldn't imagine a life without him in it. Not too bad considering we met playing a game on the internet, and only spent two 3 week periods together (face to face) before getting married; the rest of our "courtship" was over the phone or emails.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 22:39:34 GMT
But I view marriage as something that has something to do with religion Well that's your mistake, but never mind, I can forgive you. Marriage is nothing to do with religion. "But I view marriage as something that has something to do with religion" Anyway Nick, where did that quote come from? Ah, Ok, found it now.
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Post by bettina on Sept 2, 2017 22:39:50 GMT
Well that's your mistake, but never mind, I can forgive you. Marriage is nothing to do with religion. I agree actually, it's a mutual agreement. Unfortunately religion, peer pressure (or nurture) can force a marriage. Then it is pot luck if it works. Sometimes it does, and that's nice. I'm so glad Nick has forgiven you BTW. :-) As well as a countries Immigration laws; hence why Dave and I are married rather than living in common-law. The only way that we could be together whether it be in Canada or here was if we were married. I came over on a fiancee visa which meant we had to be married within 6 months of me arriving in England and I was not allowed to work until after we were married. Since I had a job waiting for me, we were married 3 weeks after I arrived in the country. I started work 3 days later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 22:54:17 GMT
I agree actually, it's a mutual agreement. Unfortunately religion, peer pressure (or nurture) can force a marriage. Then it is pot luck if it works. Sometimes it does, and that's nice. I'm so glad Nick has forgiven you BTW. :-) As well as a countries Immigration laws; hence why Dave and I are married rather than living in common-law. The only way that we could be together whether it be in Canada or here was if we were married. I came over on a fiancee visa which meant we had to be married within 6 months of me arriving in England and I was not allowed to work until after we were married. Since I had a job waiting for me, we were married 3 weeks after I arrived in the country. I started work 3 days later. My history is crap, but from what I understand there wasn't such a thing as formal marriage until a few hundred years ago. If you were together and had kids, you were kind of deemed to be 'married'. Then the 'church' made it a paperwork exercise?! Please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, the only thing which really matters is whether you are happy together.
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Post by phil70 on Sept 3, 2017 0:09:13 GMT
All this talk of relationships has reminded me........ Where is Metal Lady, is she still in the grip of the Blacksmith? Phil
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 3, 2017 5:50:09 GMT
Well it surely is discrimination because some people are allowed to do it and some are not. I can get round it by having a French civil partnership with my French other half but I am not allowed to in England because I am not gay. Seems like discrimination to me? I hate marriage. Isn't claiming discrimination just like a child saying 'that's not fair'? I would ask the child why they think it's not fair and if they have a point set out to do something about it. I think it is not fair to expect children to 'share their toys' and 'play together nicely' when adults do not share their toys (their Audi/BMW/caravan/narrowboat/mobile phone) and don't play together nicely (racing along roads/glassing someone because they think some other man has been looking at their girlfriend/slapping up houses sneakily without building permission/stealing narrowboats/abusing animals in abbatoirs for sexual gratification).
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Post by patty on Sept 3, 2017 6:01:48 GMT
This 'sharing toys' and 'playing nicely' is something adults drum into kids which can stop them from standing up for themselves...all this giving way is not right...they have to learn mutual respect. I agree that they should try to get on but having watched one of my grand daughters in a park taking 'control' of all the other kids toys with the other 'yummy mummies' making their kids give way all the time I had my doubts that this was good for either party......the reason I think they all insisted could have been either status(eldest son and wife's careers) or fact that I had the child and they didn't want me to sort out.....dunno..What I wanted to do was remove the young lady from game of play but couldn't as I felt sure my actions would be reported to daughter in law in a negative vein....maybe many of us are controlled by expectations of the right way to behave....but what is that? I do remember as a young child always having to give way to little sis as she had awful temper and my gran would keep telling me to let her have her own way....
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 3, 2017 6:20:54 GMT
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Post by bodger on Sept 3, 2017 7:49:34 GMT
Wiki: The definition of marriage varies not only between cultures or religions, but also within them throughout their histories, evolving to both expand or contract in what is encompassed, but typically it is principally an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually sexual, are acknowledged or sanctioned.
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